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Elder daughter father giving rules about my younger kids

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Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 12:04

My elder daughter is 12 and Grade 5 piano and flute and began guitar in an afterschool club at school last year. She gave up violin when the teacher moved house but still has two violins which she occasionally gets out.

My ex has facilitated her music and has bought all of the instruments and paid for lessons but I obviously had to facilitate the lessons for flute; the piano teacher comes to the house.

My younger daughter elder daughter’s half sister, has now started piano at school. Elder daughter has locked piano as her dad has instructed that my younger children cannot use the piano or have use of the other instruments.

OP posts:
Aluna · 26/01/2026 15:12

angela1952 · 26/01/2026 14:19

But strangely the OP does?

OP was just talking about a keyboard for the younger DD, no? (Which I still think is a bad idea personally).

cocog · 26/01/2026 14:59

Tell him to move it to his house and buy one yourself for your kids. It’s extremely selfish though.

angela1952 · 26/01/2026 14:19

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 13:35

I’d be very surprised to hear that any pianist would be happy to play on a keyboard. Unless you actually mean decent electric piano. And if that’s the case, it will probably cost more than an acoustic, and take up nearly as much space, so I wouldn’t have thought it would be a good solution for the OP.

But strangely the OP does?

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 14:00

lunar1 · 25/01/2026 18:18

I don’t know how happy my son would be to share his piano, he’s 17 now, we got him a significant upgrade of a piano when he passed grade 8. He’s teaching my 7 year old nephew on it twice a week with no issues, but honestly I don’t think he’d be happy for young children to have free rein on it without supervision.

If the younger dd in question is old enough to start lessons, then we can assume that she is not a toddler who is going to be bashing it around. Does your son have any younger siblings who play piano? If he did would you have a separate piano for them?

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 13:53

SexyFrenchDepression · 26/01/2026 13:45

I agree, a digital piano with proper weighted and touch sensitive keys is a must unless just playing pop music etc. I wouldnt pmay classical music on a keyboard! Digital pianos are really portable now, we got one for my son as he is a professional musician and he uses a portable stand instead of fixed so can be stored in a smaller space if need be.

Im not a massive fan of the transportable digital pianos that come on stands. They feel a bit rickety to me, and the pedals are very different. Great for traveling with of course, but I wouldn’t want it to be the only thing I practice on.

ScribblingPixie · 26/01/2026 13:45

lunar1 · 25/01/2026 18:18

I don’t know how happy my son would be to share his piano, he’s 17 now, we got him a significant upgrade of a piano when he passed grade 8. He’s teaching my 7 year old nephew on it twice a week with no issues, but honestly I don’t think he’d be happy for young children to have free rein on it without supervision.

I think that's different. My schoolfriend's father had a grand that they could take lessons and practice on but never, ever mess around with. Seems reasonable.

SexyFrenchDepression · 26/01/2026 13:45

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 13:35

I’d be very surprised to hear that any pianist would be happy to play on a keyboard. Unless you actually mean decent electric piano. And if that’s the case, it will probably cost more than an acoustic, and take up nearly as much space, so I wouldn’t have thought it would be a good solution for the OP.

I agree, a digital piano with proper weighted and touch sensitive keys is a must unless just playing pop music etc. I wouldnt pmay classical music on a keyboard! Digital pianos are really portable now, we got one for my son as he is a professional musician and he uses a portable stand instead of fixed so can be stored in a smaller space if need be.

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 13:44

InterIgnis · 26/01/2026 13:40

There’s no universal rule that pianos ‘should’ be played by everyone.

This piano IS reserved for one person’s use.

Says who? The Ex has no jurisdiction in the OP’s house. The elder dd is just a child. As it belongs to the ex he has every right to take it away, but he can’t dictate who plays it.

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 13:41

Aluna · 26/01/2026 09:12

Agreed. A piano is nothing like a car.

Pianos are shared instruments even at the highest professional level.

Edited

Exactly. If we must do comparisons, I’d say it’s the equivalent of buying myself a sofa and then insisting that no other members of the household or visitors ever sit on it.

InterIgnis · 26/01/2026 13:40

bigboykitty · 26/01/2026 09:15

I think people simply don't understand this! They are drawing false equivalence with a variety of inappropriate items. It's a piano. It's for playing. It should never be reserved for one person's use.

There’s no universal rule that pianos ‘should’ be played by everyone.

This piano IS reserved for one person’s use.

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 13:35

angela1952 · 26/01/2026 12:11

My husband is very musical, though he was not a musician. We used to have a baby grand which he loved to play but now we live in a flat so there is no room and he's pretty happy to have a keyboard instead. I would have thought that this would be a great solution,

I’d be very surprised to hear that any pianist would be happy to play on a keyboard. Unless you actually mean decent electric piano. And if that’s the case, it will probably cost more than an acoustic, and take up nearly as much space, so I wouldn’t have thought it would be a good solution for the OP.

Mykneesareshot · 26/01/2026 13:23

Tell him to come and collect it immediately. What a git.

Aluna · 26/01/2026 12:43

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 11:02

You can’t learn to play piano on a keyboard.

Pianos are like furniture, they don’t get kept for a single person’s use. You say to your ex that the piano stays unlocked for general use, and if that’s a problem he can have it removed to his house (at his expense of course). In the unlikely event that he actually does take it, a decent acoustic upright is not expensive to buy, plus then there will be a piano at her dad’s house for your DD to practice on when she is there (if there isn’t one already). At grade 5 I promise you she isn’t going to notice if it’s not a Steinway or whatever (unless you / her teacher makes a big deal out of it).

You could make the concession that your elder DD’s practice sessions will take precedence over the younger beginner.

Edit - I see from your update that you are going to allow your ex to dictate to you how you run things in your own house. What a doormat.

Edited

I agree with all of this.

outerspacepotato · 26/01/2026 12:26

I'm assuming that when the two of you were together he made it clear that he only wanted one child, and that's fine. But I don't think it's really a standard opinion that multiple children lead to lower quality of life for the eldest;

OP has admitted that her eldest fell 2 years behind in her schooling because OP was distracted.

So remarriage and having a second family has had a visible negative effect on the eldest. Now, there were plans to take a very expensive gift to eldest and turn it into communal family property. One of the biggest problems with siblings is helping themselves to their siblings' things and that comes from a place of entitlement. It would show eldest that she can't have things of her own at mom's house and that it's ok for her siblings to violate her boundaries. Those are more big negative effects and that's why the dad has stepped in to take the heat for the decision to lock the piano.

angela1952 · 26/01/2026 12:11

My husband is very musical, though he was not a musician. We used to have a baby grand which he loved to play but now we live in a flat so there is no room and he's pretty happy to have a keyboard instead. I would have thought that this would be a great solution,

ProfessionalPirate · 26/01/2026 11:02

Dazedandconfusec · 24/01/2026 15:26

I don’t think buying my younger daughter a keyboard is treating her as a second class citizen.

If I remove a good piano and force my elder daughter to share an inferior one I think that would potentially have a worse consequence.

It’s not the same as having children who are full siblings. It’s more nuanced.

You can’t learn to play piano on a keyboard.

Pianos are like furniture, they don’t get kept for a single person’s use. You say to your ex that the piano stays unlocked for general use, and if that’s a problem he can have it removed to his house (at his expense of course). In the unlikely event that he actually does take it, a decent acoustic upright is not expensive to buy, plus then there will be a piano at her dad’s house for your DD to practice on when she is there (if there isn’t one already). At grade 5 I promise you she isn’t going to notice if it’s not a Steinway or whatever (unless you / her teacher makes a big deal out of it).

You could make the concession that your elder DD’s practice sessions will take precedence over the younger beginner.

Edit - I see from your update that you are going to allow your ex to dictate to you how you run things in your own house. What a doormat.

WoollyHeadedMammoth · 26/01/2026 10:49

He is annoyed and has expressed this when we meet once a year that my having further children has compromised our daughter’s life.

I'm assuming that when the two of you were together he made it clear that he only wanted one child, and that's fine. But I don't think it's really a standard opinion that multiple children lead to lower quality of life for the eldest; perhaps from your daughter's perspective she also GAINS something from having siblings? In any case, your ex cannot control whether or not you have children with someone else once the two of you are no longer together. If he thinks that your daughter is not being properly cared for at your house he can take that to the courts and seek custody (which he won't because he isn't willing to do his share even now). And just as it would not be appropriate for one of you to badmouth the other to your daughter, it is also not acceptable for him to be giving her the idea that her siblings are a burden to her or should not be in her life.

Has he told you what harm he thinks will be done if the other child uses the piano? Perhaps there are ways that his concerns can be alleviated or some compromise can be made. If his reasons aren't sound, I'd tell him the piano will be open in a common area and if he cannot handle that he will need to take it to his place and make time for her to practice there.

BennyTheBadger · 26/01/2026 10:48

Livelovelaughfuckoff · 24/01/2026 12:10

Tell him he will need to house the piano and facilitate the lessons from now on. He sounds like a tedious knob.

This^^

blackpooolrock · 26/01/2026 10:33

The piano would be unlocked and your eldest DD would be told to leave it that way.

Your EX would be told to stay the fuck out of what goes on in your house. If he isn't happy with that he can come and pick up his instruments.

beAsensible1 · 26/01/2026 10:24

exDh hasn’t insisted the piano stay at hers. He has a home it could go to and DD could practice there. OP doesn’t want that.

99bottlesofkombucha · 26/01/2026 10:23

ItsameLuigi · 26/01/2026 09:11

Sorry but the piano was purchased by her father, not the step father and mother. It's only in a communal area because it physically can't go in her bedroom. It doesn't make it communal property just because it's in the living room. It should go back to the dad's house and op buys a different one but reading the thread, this isn't an option for her.

Pianos are shared, ask a musk. Ask a concert pianist. They don’t arrive at the recital venue with their own piano.

Aluna · 26/01/2026 10:18

@NorthXNorthWest

I understand that there were people on here with no musical experience at all.
But I don’t know how many times it needs explaining that pianos are communal instruments.

OP has clearly stated that this issue has only arisen as if this issue since her other child wanted to learn to play.

Boundaries cut both ways. OP needs to set her boundaries very firmly with the ex and the daughter. It is not a reasonable expectation to put a piano in somebody else’s house and expect that no one else can touch it. OP may not have agreed if she’d known those were the terms. Equally DD needs to learn to share. Trying to carve out a fence around a large object in somebody’s else is home is not reasonable.

If those are the terms he needs to take the piano.

DH is right they just need to buy a new one. Altho it’s likely ex would cave if OP stood up to him. It would cost money to move and where would he store it? He won’t want to upset his dad either.

beAsensible1 · 26/01/2026 10:16

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 25/01/2026 18:28

I think asking a twelve year old to censor herself to a level, where she can never, ever mention her mum, home or siblings in any context while in conversation with her father would be anxiety inducing.

And I’d say emotionally abusive and likely to fracture their relationship long term. Especially as it an attempt to manipulate her because she is being protective of her things.

NorthXNorthWest · 26/01/2026 09:59

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/01/2026 08:36

Almost certainly there is an element of DD not wanting to share, the OP said so. But she has two other musical instruments that her father bought specially for her and she doesn't have to share those. If she's stopped playing them it would be sensible to let the others use them, but I can understand why the OP would not insist. But the piano is different. A piano is normally shared. He's trying to make the whole family to bend to his (and possibly DD's) whims. He is not doing his daughter any favours by bringing out the worst in her.

As for the car example, before the OP agreed there would have been a discussion about who was allowed to use it and where it could be parked. Most parents would not agree to host a very smart expensive new car that only one child can drive leaving no room for the family car.

If the ex had said "I want to give DD a piano and I don't want anyone else to play it" then I don't suppose the OP would ever have agreed to install it in her living room. For DD's own sake as much as any other reason.

It's still "her" piano in the sense that when she moves out she can take it with her.

Blended families do come with different dynamics. That doesn't change the rules around ownership and boundaries. Gifts bought by a third party, especially a non-resident parent, don’t become community property just because they’re big or sit in a shared space.

What blows my mind is that the OP agreed to the piano being there while clearly knowing that at some point the younger children might want to learn. Maybe she thought it would be convenient for everyone. Free piano for the other children? Maybe she just didn’t think it through. Either way, this is a failure to plan issue on the OP’s part that she is trying to dump on her Ex and daughter.

Ironically that’s the thing that damages children in blended families time and time again.

She can’t undo the damage already done, but she should be trying to learn from it. The 'one big happy family' she wants isn’t going to happen just because she wants it. Blended families work when there’s a balance between what’s reasonable and what’s fair. Right now that balance is being tipped, and it’s her daughter who will shape her views around that. By the OP not managing expectation to the use items owned by other peoples/siblings she will be potentially damaging the relationship between the siblings.

And if the daughter doesn’t want to share, she shouldn’t be shamed into it. Respecting boundaries isn’t unkind. Forcing sharing doesn’t build one big happy family, it builds resentment.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 26/01/2026 09:34

FairKoala · 26/01/2026 02:40

But it has to be done because her father cannot control himself when it comes to every tasty morsel of information.
I presume this thing about locking the piano was a way to control the exw, dd and family and sow seeds of conflict because he heard that his DD’s sibling was taking piano lessons

It might be hard for her to do but if she starts to monitor what she lets slip and then sees his responses it might just show the dd what everyone else can already see. That her father is more interested in controlling her mother and her new family than he is of his dd

The lack of compassion for a twelve year old and her mental health here is quite staggering.