Dads using female communal changing room

If someone is neither male nor female I wonder how you decide how their development of chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex is atypical. Is it atypical of a male or a female?

No I don't wish to read the introduction.

I wish for you to use the quote spannasaurus is asking for.

So no quote from the paper stating that people with DSDs are neither male nor female

You might wish to read the introduction:

"In general, intersex refers to the state of being born with biological sex characteristics that vary from what is typically thought of as exclusively male or female."

and

"“congenital conditions in which development of chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex is atypical”"

There might be a decision to classify people as "male" or "female" - but biologically, this is not correct.

Oh I know.
We can patiently wait amid the tumbleweeds.

It's more than slightly amusing.

It might be a while

I'm looking forward to this quote.

I can’t use a changing space with a lock on the door where I am in the inside and there might be a man on the other side.

I can’t. It’s impossible.

so I NEED that communal area. I NEED that single sex communal area.

I do not want a man (sensible emergencies excepted) in that changing space even if he is there to change his child.

He should petition the pool for more mixed sex changing spaces. Or more family changing spaces.

Or just take his daughter, if she is U8, into the men’s.

While I agree that this man should not be in a women’s communal changing room, I remain baffled by some of the responses on here and the apparent assumptions underlying them.

I would have thought that it’s obvious that child sex abuse knows no bounds in terms of sexual preference ie whether heterosexual or homosexual. That being the case, an unrelated male should not be around kids of either sex changing in the women’s, but nor should he be around kids of either sex changing in the men’s. Many posters don’t seem to be grasping that, in terms of the threat to unrelated children, the two environments are the same. Some have said ‘but there might be an unaccompanied 11 year old girl in the ladies. Yes, and she definitely shouldn’t be encountering a man, BUT there could be an unaccompanied 11 year old boy in the men’s, and I don’t think he should be encountering an unrelated adult male either.

Also, child sex abuse knows no bounds in terms of the age of the child. If they’re accompanied in communal areas then that offers some protection, but still, there is a risk of a paedophile with an interest in very young children being in the presence of naked young children and I don’t think any parent would be happy with that even if they are present. The risk of this is equal whether the communal area is male or female. Some posters seem to be talking as if there is only an issue around children who are hitting puberty, and only an issue with men being around girls.

There is a massive issue here with communal changing areas generally.

My fluffy little girl brain couldn’t possibly cope with reading erudite academic articles. Never mind.

Why don’t you mansplain it to me and save me the bother?

<flutters eyelashes>

Could you quote the bit saying that people with DSDs are neither male of female

Yes incredibly, master.

Why don't you just engage a bit with the literature?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306312718757081

Since @RedToothBrush is so vocal about safeguarding, I think it might be interesting why they consider safeguarding to be irrelevant when it affects someone they don't like.

In "the other thread", several people called for the offending father to be chased out of the changing rooms by shouting "paedo" - and I raised my concerns that this could harm and possibly traumatise the child. It would be a clear safeguarding issue.

@RedToothBrush - and many others - completely dismissed the harm this could cause - because for them, safeguarding is not about protecting children, it's about enforcing their rules and silencing others.

As I said before, this is incredibly dangerous and harmful.

You’re such an expert you managed to get that wrong.

Oops.

If you say so.

Your obviously an expert in getting things wrong - but I think you might simply wish to open a clinical textbook.

Yeah. This.

Mate

You are wrong.

I suggest you go away and look it up and think about it...

They are not - at least not from a development or biological point of view.

Damn I type too slow 🤣🤣🤣

People who are intersex have a disorder of sexual development and are either male or female.

Bingo!

We have intersex bingo!

Intersex people, or to use a more up to date term, people with differences of sexual development, are either male or female

Intersex is not necessarily male.