Dads using female communal changing room

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It’s not my claim. Its prof winstons claim.

you just said he was wrong.

oops.

Did you read his HoL evidence?

And obviously I would do the same - he is a renowned expert after all.

Hmmm. 🤔

In that case I will continue to take Prof Winstons words over yours.

"I will say this categorically, that you cannot change your sex. Your sex actually is there in every single cell in the body"

What does this have to do with anything? No-one talks about changing sex. You claimed that everyone who is not female must be male - and I disagree, there are instances where this is not correct.

So the question is: how do you define sex? What criteria does someone have to fulfil to be considered male? Is genetic sex sufficient? And if so - which criteria?

Sex is considerably more complicated - the HoL evidence explains this very well.

Incidentally - your claim about every single cell is also wrong.

There's always one on threads like this. It's been a pattern on this site for years. The dogged persistence tells you as much as you need to know.

They simply cannot resist it and will not leave women the hell alone. Especially if it means they get to spend days at a time admonishing them.

Personally I have better uses for my precious time, but each to their own as they say.

So sad that Prof Winston never said this

I will say this categorically, that you cannot change your sex. Your sex actually is there in every single cell in the body

sad times.

Definitely not - but I do know the difference between public engagement of science and actual scientific work. Lord Winston has made it very clear that this subject is rather complicated - see e.g. his evidence in HoL:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200304/ldhansrd/vo040203/text/40203-18.htm#:~:text=Most%20practising%20doctors%20in%20the,only%20genes%20that%20define%20sex.

People are so quick to judge - I had 4 kids , all 4 swam, I mostly took them to lessons.
kids are changed in the changing room of their sex - my son was always changed in the men’s my 3 girls always changed in the ladies, regardless of which parent was changing them. Our first swimming club was predominately mums changing - so there were always mums changing boys in the men’s room.

X post @spannasaurus 🤣🤣🤣

At what level? Equivalent to Sir Robert Winston?

Do you know more than Prof Robert Winston about human sex and reproduction?

Aaaand there goes the thread….

I have an education in clinical chemistry - although I no longer work in this profession. But I did teach developmental biology some time ago.

Are you a medical professional?

It's a little bit more complicated - and in the end, it depends on the definition: what criteria should be used to identify someone as male or female (I mean biologically).

And yes, in the majority of cases, this is undoubtedly correct - but a single exemption invalidates any general claim, and I responded to the general claim that all individuals who are not female are male.

Perhaps the misunderstanding is due to the fact that for me, a single exception invalidates any generalisation (as it does for mathematical proofs), but for most normal people that might not be the case?

I'm sorry - this was clearly not intended to quote you. Please accept my apology.

I was not addressing you; nor do I have any intention of justifying myself to you. Who are you? Pixels on the internet, just as I am to you.

SRY gene plus functional androgen receptors is a man according to Prof Robert Winston.

I'm not a doctor so wouldn't be dealing with anyone's incomplete development nor would I be determing their sex. That's a job for their doctors.

Wasn't this covered in the article you linked to?

So you would consider the presence of SRY to be sufficient to classify someone as male?

I see your point - but how would you then deal with incomplete development? Wouldn't here be an - admittedly very small - group who would simply fall outside any classification?

Rather than looking for the presence of a Y chromosome the more sensible approach would be to identify the presence of the SRY gene or not. Some further tests may be required to determine
if that person has functional androgen receptors

I’m sorry. I don’t understand what you just said.

well I did. I think. But it doesn’t make sense.

Chromosomes don’t make you male or female? Since when? And why is that not sensible?

The anatomy of intersex individuals is not necessarily clearly male or female. One could of course simply argue that the presence of a Y chromosome makes someone male - but that's obviously not a sensible approach.

On what basis would you decide whether someone is assigned "male" or "female" sex?

Steady now spannasaurus. You might show intellect and knowledge above your station...