Dads using female communal changing room

@SleepingStandingUp Given most places won't have the money or space for individual cubicles for men

If it can be afforded for women, then the same facility should also be provided for men. There should be gender equality when it comes to access to public services.

Ask @shuggles@shuggles. They are one of the peopel saying men can't be around ANY child except their own and wanting separate spaces for male children away from men

@BeingATwatItsABingThing Men are the issue?

Why would that be up for question? It is common knowledge that almost every sex offender is a man.

And no, contrary to common belief, sex offenders are not created by "society."

So what does Jack do when he takes his 4 yo swimming? Given most places won't have the money or space for individual cubicles for men

Well if you go with your age groups and sexes - how does a father take his daughter of age 3 swimming?

Well I'm not the one saying men should never be around an undressing child that isn't theirs. Personally the rules as most of us understand them are perfectly adequate. Someone should have simply spoken to the man and if it wasn't a mistake then reported him to the staff
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'm questioning how those who think Dad's shouldn't be taking kids into the men either would work it.

Perhaps
Family changing - adult women and children under 8.
Female changing - any femald
Male - 18 +
Male adolescent 9 - 17

Boys u8 are allowed into the ladies.

girls u8 are allowed into the men’s.

What logical thinking do I need to do?

If either of the children want to go into the changing room that aligns with the child’s sex, and their parent is ok with that, that is also fine.

if you don’t want your child being in a changing room with an unrelated adult in it, then it’s up to you to find a way to make that work.

Men are the issue? Yes, we know this. I choose the bear!

I think to some extent it’s a tricky one. It’s easy as far as - he should use the cubicles. But in public toilet situations my husband at least once took our baby girl to change nappy in ladies (empty when they went in): no separate baby change, no disabled toilet with baby change table, no changing table in mens and he couldn’t bring himself to change her on the floor of men’s toilet (I wasn’t with them). I can see a man stressing about taking his young daughter to a male changing room…maybe the cubicles need pointing out more as an option at your pool.

No he shouldn’t be in there.
communal women is very different from family changing which is sometimes an option.
I would speak to staff in charge as they’re probably not aware.
Assuming they’re changing their daughters?
Ive had a similar issue in a small female communal changing room.
I take my disabled adult daughter in there if private cubicles are busy and a carer with a similar aged young man was using it.
Also a family used it, Mum, Dad and two sons while the male communal room was empty.
i know it was empty as it was a disabled friendly session with very limited people attending.

are you able to find your previous thread where everyone gave the opposite answer? genuine query because I've never seen it go the other way on here - every thread I've seen the vast majority agree that the child goes to the sex of the ADULT with them, unless they are old enough to go alone.

I don't think the 'children only' thing is relevant. Firstly because I don't know how anyone can 100% guarantee it is children only - what about the people wanting to use the pool before/after the children's swim class? Anyone using the gym? Lifeguards? Staff using the toilet? Parents going into the pool to accompany their kids?

Secondly because as several people have pointed out 'children' spans a wide age, from baby to pubescent. There's a huge difference between a 5 year old child and an 12 year old child.

Thirdly - yes of course I would prefer you to take your son into the woman's. Because your 5 year old son, unlike a grown man, is not intimidating or a threat to girls. Can't believe that needs spelling out!

Fourth - yes, even if none of the above was relevant, it would still be appropriate to enforce the importance of female only spaces, although to everyone, not just to girls. Because doing otherwise is how boundaries get eroded.

Never said it was, I was trying to help the OP solve the actual issue, are you suggesting the op should call the police and press charges against the other parent and the leisure centre? That might stress the OP out more than the original issue!

@Taztoy Because boys are the same sex as men.

Doesn't answer the question.

Please think through logically why men should not be able to change with women and girls.

Same reasoning applies with boys. So I want men's changing rooms segregated from boys' rooms too.

Well according to some posters no. I'm questioning those posters who have said "men shouldn't be around naked children that aren't there own". This is precisely what I'm getting at. If men can't be around ANY naked kids except their own, and someone uothrrad just said boys should be entitled to a space away from adult men, then what exactly is the plan?

Because boys are the same sex as men.

I can’t believe I just had to type that sentence.

The entitlement is off the scale.

As is the assumption that women must simply roll over and accept it.

Iit's always 'hysteria' when it's an issue women happen to be concerned about.

Same with things like the patrilineal naming system that routinely erases women. Search any thread on that topic on this site and you'll see variations on the theme of 'don't you have more important things to worry your pretty little heads about?'

Pure misogyny. There's no other word for it. And no, men are not the only culprits on that score.

Are there no family change areas for this?

@bringmelaughter It’s not just women who have the right to change without men in their space. My daughter is in lessons aged 10, there are older girls also in lessons. All girls but particularly adolescents should be assured of sex segregated changing spaces.

Why should boys not also have the same right to have changing areas without men present?

Bloody bloody men. Absolute fuckers

It’s not academic. It’s not just women who have the right to change without men in their space. My daughter is in lessons aged 10, there are older girls also in lessons. All girls but particularly adolescents should be assured of sex segregated changing spaces. They are more likely to be there without a parent and less likely to speak up if they feel uncomfortable.

How do you know this?

He should use the mens and wait for the private cubicle in there for his daughter to use. I’m really shocked at this.

I find it works better to be clear rather than try to “give the hint” but i am autistic and blunt.

But he's the the one being dodgy..

But they never see themselves as dodgy.