David and Victoria’s press statement

Possibly.

But the fact the DJ is a big friend of the Beckhams (indeed Godfather to their dcs) and that relationships had already soured between them and BB/NP at this point suggests you are being a bit naive to think it wasn’t a bit planned.

The”first dance” referred to was the first dance of Marc Anthony’s set and yes, I absolutely think that should’ve been between BB/NP. And as MIL I’d have insisted they dance first.

Possibly the DJ orchestrated it all himself but I think some of you are maybe giving VB a little too much credit here - remember at this point she already disliked NP enough to refuse to make her dress…

VB didn't hijack Brooklyn and Nicola's first dance, though – that dance had already passed without incident, earlier in the evening, followed by Nicola dancing with her dad.

Whatever happened during the dance involving VB and Brooklyn, it was the first dance/song of Marc Anthony's set, long after the newlywed's actual first dance.

And VB isn't responsible for Marc Anthony being a total fuckwit and referring to anyone other than the bride as the most beautiful woman in the room.

The rights and wrongs of how VB and DB raised Brooklyn (and how interesting that VB is getting all the heat on that, not DB, who will have had equal responsibility as a parent), are an entirely separate issue.

But on the matter of the newlyweds' first dance, it seems clear that VB did not hijack it at all.

Complete aside, but how well did VB - and DB - know EJ before asking him to be Godfather? Well?

Some of you might. Some of us might establish through the discussion on the thread that it wasnt the first dance, the MIL was called up to the stage and announced by the DJ and was told how to dance a particular style which mother and son did

She didnt refer to herself as such

We would then empathise that the DJ made a massive faux pas and that was insensitive to the bride and perhaps a bit cringy to do a salsa but its late into the evening by then, we've all had a few drinks type of thing.

But the definition put on the MIL of a monster, toxic, narcissistic?

Extreme words for social clumsiness, not necessarily of the MIL's making

He has an independent net worth of 10 million or something from modelling, TV & sauce etc, but yes…

My friend cannot accept that Sir Elton John has sided with Brooklyn. She is shocked. SHOCKED.

You have to remember that Vogue are only going to write a fairytale, sanitised version of events ( that they’ve been told to do)

They don’t want to write about the MIL doing sexy dancing with the groom and the bride flouncing in tears! It will have been given to BB & NP’s PR to go over before printing and at that point they obviously weren’t ready to do an honest account of things - the Vogue article doesn’t really show anything.

Also often things that happen in real time especially at something like a wedding aren’t fully processed and scrutinised until much later. I did the same with my own wedding and some of the behaviours of family on the day - at the time I just wanted everything to go well and be perfect - but even now years later I look back and think “wtf was all that about”?

Yes, it probably would've done him good. I wonder if it also first showed a divide that ramped up his anxiety, all the other kids carefree enjoying their sport Vs Brooklyn, whose going to be compared to his well known famous footballer dad and his security team.

I do struggle to believe he needed bodyguards while football training aged 14. I remember there was a kidnap threat to one of the Beckham children (I have it in my head as being Romeo but might be wrong) when they were tiny and so that could have influenced that decision. But perhaps therapy for the parents rather than 24/7 security for the children would've been better.

You would have thought 😁
or maybe Nelson just forgot to lock the door 😂

Well that tells me all I need to know bc Elton doesn’t kowtow to anyone! 😂

Some of you might. Some of us might establish through the discussion on the thread that it wasnt the first dance, the MIL was called up to the stage and announced by the DJ and was told how to dance a particular style which mother and son did

She didnt refer to herself as such

We would then empathise that the DJ made a massive faux pas and that was insensitive to the bride and perhaps a bit cringy to do a salsa but its late into the evening by then, we've all had a few drinks type of thing.

But the definition put on the MIL of a monster, toxic, narcissistic?

Extreme words for social clumsiness, not necessarily of the MIL's making

My friend cannot accept that Sir Elton John has sided with Brooklyn. She is shocked. SHOCKED.

Imagine! If you upset the staff they may defend themselves. Didn’t NP have other staff to police the loos? :)

I mean, you’re the one assuming here, and getting it wrong.
Marc Anthony is a very good friend of David and Victorias, he’s godfather to two of their children, Cruz and Harper. He was performing at the wedding due to him being a family friend,

Some of you might. Some of us might establish through the discussion on the thread that it wasnt the first dance, the MIL was called up to the stage and announced by the DJ and was told how to dance a particular style which mother and son did

She didnt refer to herself as such

We would then empathise that the DJ made a massive faux pas and that was insensitive to the bride and perhaps a bit cringy to do a salsa but its late into the evening by then, we've all had a few drinks type of thing.

But the definition put on the MIL of a monster, toxic, narcissistic?

Extreme words for social clumsiness, not necessarily of the MIL's making

Doesn't that contradict the Vogue write-up of the wedding? Or did I misread that? Or did Vogue make it up?

So you think bringing your child up as part of a brand, flaunting them online, summoning them to photo shoots, and making sure they can never be anonymous when you have the option not to is ‘good parenting’?

There was a story circulating shortly after the wedding of a wedding guest being on the receiving end of an allegedly ‘completely foul outburst’ from an ‘irate’ Nelson Pelz because they used one of the mansion toilets and not one of the portable toilets set up in the marquis areas.

Maybe the guest was Marc Anthony 😁
Might explain his DJ set!!!

I’ve no doubt D and V do love their kids, and have certainly made enough money to be able to provide financially for them. However, they have shown zero respect for their right to privacy. Using them to create a ‘brand’ is emotionally abusive, those children had no choice in being plastered all over their social media and being exposed publicly like they’ve been.

I mean, can you imagine a thread on here where the OP says the MIL hijacked the first dance at her wedding and then was announced as “the most beautiful person in the room”?? And surely this comment came from one of the Beckhams cronies bc who in their right mind would even SAY that!? Nicola Peltz may or may not be a bitch but she is a stunning young woman and it was her frigging wedding day and let’s be honest - Posh has never been regarded as a beauty!

I mean come on - We’d all be calling the MIL a toxic, narcissistic monster!

I mean, can you imagine a thread on here where the OP says the MIL hijacked the first dance at her wedding and then was announced as “the most beautiful person in the room”?? And surely this comment came from one of the Beckhams cronies bc who in their right mind would even SAY that!? Nicola Peltz may or may not be a bitch but she is a stunning young woman and it was her frigging wedding day and let’s be honest - Posh has never been regarded as a beauty!

I mean come on - We’d all be calling the MIL a toxic, narcissistic monster!

My dad gave me my flat deposit.

I’m NC with him now.

I refused that money for a long time until it was pointed out that if I didn’t take it, he would spend it on alcohol or his money grabbing wife and her kids (they got a lot more anyway).

It will never make up for the damage to my MH from years of physical and mental abuse, but at least I live in a modest stable home and now so do my children. I’ve developed high level autoimmune illnesses throughout my adult life which I’m convinced are linked to living under high stress for my first 18 years. Thankfully I can work part time and claim nothing as my housing situation is secure.

People can judge away and call me a petty gold digger all they like. They have no idea what it’s like to have parents like this

Brooklyn snapped because of their continuous briefings to the press- the Beckhams are smart in the way they handle the media - it might look like his snapping has come from nowhere but he sees the press briefings, the manipulation - it takes a while to realise your own family are fucked up as when you are growing up inside it you don't see the badness, as Mum and Dad - who love you, are just doing their best. It's only when hes had a bit of space and has realised the source of his anxiety - to do what he has done.

No one knows how hard it is to cut off parents, I do - it's fucking hard and only done to protect oneself when continual contact has a damaging effect. They won't get him back - they are continuing as before, briefing the press - it's laughable people think they are 'keeping quiet'.

I don't think Fat Tony is intending to mean that the BB/VB first dance was THE first dance (ie the newlyweds first dance).

In his This Morning interview he says 'first dance' in the context of talking about it being the first dance of Marc Anthony's set, which we know was much later in the evening, after the newlyweds' actual first dance, which had been between BB and NP, with another singer doing the performance of their first dance song.

It's an unfortunate lack of clarity, which reinforces the misrepresentation of BB's statement. Fat Tony may not have intended that, but the result is that it's reinforcing the misunderstanding that VB muscled in on the actual newlyweds' official first dance, which she didn't.