Women and anyone with a cervix

If transitioning means women believe they no longer need PAP tests, or men believe they no longer need prostate exams, then transitioning is not benign or neutral.

You know, I’m all for protecting women’s spaces (as well as making sure everyone has spaces to use that are safe for them) but I don’t buy the “thin end of the wedge” arguments about things like this.

Using language that makes everyone who needs to be feel included is no bad thing in my view. Even if technically the phrase could be more pin point accurate, it’s good if it means trans men realise “ok this includes me, I will seek this healthcare” - which could be lifesaving in some circumstances (say if it was talking about a smear test).

Lots of people might genuinely think “ah well I’m not a woman so that doesn’t mean me”.

Deliberate rage baiting.

Argument for both - are you biologically female? Born as a female. Had your cervix removed at some stage. You remain a female.

Or

If you believe you are a woman, live as a woman - but were born with a penis. You are biologically a man. And therefore don’t need a cervical screen.

I might be wrong but I’ll assume you’re the former - this is about protecting WOMENS spaces and not erasing women from humanity. Why would you argue semantics when the fundamentals are - men and women are different.

Whoops sorry

People with a cervix indicates that those who aren't women can have a cervix, which is nonsense

As I said upthread, either you value accurate language or you don't. People with a cerc

Women with a cervix or people with a cervix both cover the fact, women doesn't.

Who are biological women

“Grow up” and pretend to believe bullshit? That’s not growing up, it’s giving in.

Stating facts is so hard to accept isn't it. I'm a woman, I don't have a cervix, I don't need cervical screening.

As you well understand, I'm objecting to the terminology 'people with cervixes'

Are you so lacking in understanding that saying women need cervical screening is ridiculous as not all women have a cervix so don't need the screening. Women with a cervix need screening, is that hard to understand?

If people want to get in a froth maybe accept that their view isn't the only one.

Wilfully obtuse in order to produce what they believe to be the trump card.
"I've only got one leg so clearly humans aren't a bipedal species!"

Seen it, sighed at it, rinse and repeat.

And?

Are people so lacking in their understanding of their logic that they think that 'only women can have a cervix' also means 'all women have a cervix'?

Was it present at birth when you were observed to be female?
Or do you not have a cervix because you were observed to be male at birth?

I'm a woman. I don't have a cervix. In your eyes, does that make me not a woman?

Doesn't mean all women do either.

It is the most accurate though. I don't feel offended at the use of women but the fact is we don't all have a cervix.

Yes, sorry, I agree with this. Presuming the context was cervix related.

Because everyone is 'biological' apparently.
(Yup, literally, a real conversation I had with someone once 🤯)

Exactly. The word women is perfectly 'inclusive' as it 'includes' ALL those who, biologically, have a cervix.
How they might 'identify' outside of that is really neither here nor there...

How do you know? Do you have proof of Neanderthal trans people? Do please share. That would be very interesting I think? As they were all naked or wrapped in furs, was it the way they wrapped their fur that showed their gender or something different?

But that language supposes that all women are female. In their bid to be inclusive, they are either going to get a lot of males claiming trans identity rocking up, as they believe they are women, or they are being transphobic and stating all women are female. That is where this mangling of language gets us.

This! It's always seem odd to me how transmen don't wish to acknowledge their 'womanhood'... but when it comes to medical procedure, they want society to acknowledge their 'womanhood' and that they 'have a cervix'. If they know that, as a biological woman, they have a cervix, presumably they know that, in that instance, they are being referred to, regardless of how they appear on the outside!?

Can’t see why that would upset anyone or do anyone any harm. If it makes trans men feel included then that’s fine by me.

I agree, I can't get worked up over trans men being included as well - I mean, they literally say women as well in the post so we're both included.