Women and anyone with a cervix

Thanks. it comeback to a reasonable test. My sisters are Nurses. Quite understandably they would want to get changed in a space based on biological sex. This is why we need finalised guidance on single sex spaces. Once we have this clarity I would hope the debate can be less polarised.

that's not enough for most Trans identify people, especially males. You would be considered transphobic for not welcoming them in single sex spaces with open arms.

Please see my earlier comments. My work team had a number of trans people. I do not have any issue in using their preferred pronouns or seeing them largely as women. For changing rooms, personal care, some aspects of medical care prisons and some areas we do need spaces based on biological sex. Which is what I said in my second post.

I really don’t know why you’re asking her this when she quite clearly said

What we need to be clear on is that a female changing area should be for biological women only and that in certain limited other cases such as personal care, rape support and in some cases prisons should be based on biological sex.

What on earth does 'living as a man' (or woman) mean?

And are you saying you support men's 'rights' to use women's single sex spaces?

For me a trans-man is living as a man. With some very limited exceptions I would treat him as a man and similarly I would treat a trans-woman as a woman.

Well if you haven't got a cervix you don't need cervical screening. What's absurd about that?

I don't find the replies are spiteful. They are responding to the absurdity of 'anyone with a cervix'.

India willoughby says he does. And has threatened promised to show it if needed. But if transwomen are women, surely they’d be included in the “women” bit wouldn’t they? So should definitely turn up for a smear. As it says women and people with a cervix.

Do trans women have a cervix?

I agree. That we have to pretzel ourselves to be 'inclusive' is madness. Literally.

So you’re including transwomen in your definition of woman, or are you saying transwomen don’t need this service abd therefore are not women? Slightly transphobic don’t you think?

Trans men are women.

You know this. Why are you pretending humans can change sex?

It is quite possible that a trans man might have retained a cervix. The numbers of course are very small, but I am happy with wording that says women (the vast vast majority) and anyone else with a cervix and then goes on to topic.

Gender non conforming people exist, agreed.

However, I don't understand why, because of this, you would pretend that men can have cervixes.

Anorexic people exist. But they aren’t fat like they believe.

So if they are not ill why do they need medical intervention?

I would not see transgender people as being ill. Trans people exist. I accept this and get on with life.

I have never said anything of the sort. You have completely misunderstood my posts.

Please quote where I have said this:

there had been trans people since the dawn of humanity.

But it is exclusive language. It’s saying that only females are women and excluding non cis men who believe they are women. I mean, no male has a cervix so by default this language excludes “transwomen”.

I know that gender non conformity is not limited to blah blah blah. I am gender non conforming and have been for my whole life, since the early 70s.

You said there had been trans people since the dawn of humanity. So show some evidence of your claims.

Trans men know they are women. We really need to stop lying to these women.

Not one person on the planet has ever changed sex. This is utter insanity.

This again? I actually thought I was clicking on a thread with some actual information on smears or the like.

Wouldn’t it be a better use of our time to discuss the implications of at-home smear tests or the potential reduction to once every 5 years, than a random use of inclusive language?

No one is saying that Trans men don't exist!

We are just saying they are women, which they have to be in order to be trans men!

What I find alarming is this thought that women who identify as trans men think that they have somehow changed sex! How ridiculous. If you are right and this is happening then a lot of responsibility lies on trans activists/ charities for not making it clear that no one literally changes sex. Men who identify as trans women still need prostate exams. Women who identify as trans men still need smear tests.

It's absolutely insane to suggest that people do not KNOW this.

Pandering to ideological delusions harms women. It has directly led to the erosion of single sex spaces and harms to young women who want to opt out of woman hood because some how it is now seen as progressive to adhere to sexist stereotypes of how men and women should act and behave.

No thank you.