Women and anyone with a cervix

The wording does matter and it’s important it’s consistent. Frequently we see ‘women and anyone with a cervix’ but we don’t see ‘men and anyone with a penis’

The cervical and prostate cancer pages are a good example of this. The first page on cervical
doesn’t mention women but the prostate says men.

I just want to see the words women and men explicitly mentioned every single time. In a way if
someone is so deluded that they think they can change sex they probably don’t even understand the ‘with a cervix’ anyway!

I had not thought about this but it’s a good point too.

Has a transman actually ever got offended at being called a woman when they go for a smear test?

It baffles me that you can be about putting women first in women’s healthcare…yet want to exclude some women because they don’t like the term ‘woman’. Who bloody cares? I care about women, that they get good healthcare and are empowered in their own bodies. I care just as much about women who don’t define themselves as feminine as I do about women who do. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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There’s no need to be deliberately unpleasant.

You’re helping no one and achieving nothing by being transphobic.

The only way people know if they even have a cervix is because they are women or girls.

I would have thought hoped that trans people had enough sense, being grown up adult humans and all, to know that their original sex still dominates their body and should be taken into account when thinking about potential sex based illnesses, such as cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, testicular cancer, penile cancer, prostate cancer.

She is female.

But they don’t identify as women so there really is nothing wrong with adding a separate reference just for them. Especially as “women” is mentioned.

Are you telling us that your partner doesn't realise that she's female? Does she worry about getting prostate cancer, for instance? Of course she doesn't. She knows that if something medical talks about women, it means her. That's because you can't change sex.

Well they could be including cats 🐈

Or women who identity as cats.

Or indeed bitches. They have cervixes.

It’s hard to know since the language is nonsensical.

Your partner knows they are a biological women with a gender identity. So they would clearly have the relevant medical checks for their sex.

I'm a woman but my cervix has been removed. If I saw that headline I would assume it was something cervix-specific and not relevant to me - e.g. the importance of having a smear.

I’m assuming your friend is a transman? Definitely not male!

of course India Willoughby (transwoman) famously declared having a cervix along with an offer to show it to anyone who didn’t believe it….. 🤷‍♀️

I literally don’t care if it says women AND anyone with a cervix. That’s inclusive.

It’s when they take the women out completely.

To be fair, I do understand that one. Why would a woman who’s had her cervix removed need a cervical screening?

But surely a trans man IS a woman, WAS a woman, will always BE a woman, who just wants to IDENTIFY as a woman but who knows they aren't really???

Because it's an invitation to have a cervical smear....? (I'm assuming)

Well if the NHS use it, then it's fair game for a weekly magazine.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5284560-people-with-a-cervix

Technically, cervix (pl cervices) is the Latin word for neck which is why the upper vertebrae are numbered C1 - C7.
The tube shaped entrance of the uterus (Latin for womb) is known as the cervix since it resembles a little neck (like the neck of a bottle) .

Women and anyone with a cervix recognises and includes everyone, without excluding or erasing women.

It is inclusive of trans men. Yes, yes - I know. Those words also offend you. Because you would substitute them for women. Because inclusion doesn't matter to you.

But it does matter to lots of people - and lots of women too.

I am happy that neither women nor trans people are being erased, that we are finding ways - tiny ways, in tiny sentences - to balance the rights of both.

I guess they could write “Women and people who don’t identify as women but who have cervixes”….

But I suspect OP would have an issue with that too….

Not trans bashing just reality. People are free to believe what they want about themselves but they can’t make the rest of their world believe they are the opposite sex. I’m sorry if that hard to hear for some of you but it’s the truth.

I came across "people with vulvas" at a museum recently.

Yay more trans bashing!!

This should keep you all busy for the evening, enjoy

I have a male friend who has a cervix. And no, it doesn’t make him a woman. He has had top surgery but due to serious long term illness is unable to have bottom surgery.