Trump speech at DAVOS

Starmer says that Trump's remarks are insulting and appalling and that he should apologise, what is wrong with that?

Starmer has now come out more strongly, suggesting an apology... which is good but behind the opposition, given his ratings, he needs to be out of the blocks very quickly on this sort of thing.

The UK/US relationship is no longer a "normal" friendship between countries but an abusive one & it can no longer be blamed on Trump alone, its the entire administration.
Starmer claims we have a very close relationship with the USA...Really?

Like all bullies, Trump will just keep dishing it out, so long as we allow him too.

Did he back down on Greenland? he appears to have completely forgotten what he asked for.... two very different things.

But who knows?

The EU and UK need to do more to defend Ukraine. The one bright spot in all this is that maybe, with America losing interest and things changing, we can provide support in a less hesitant way. Previously America wanted the EU to send Ukraine weapons etc but was hesitant about them being used on Russian soil.
We do have more weapon stocks we can send. But if Europe is having to worry about America trying to take Greenland they won't feel safe reducing their weapon stocks by any more.** Or even sending troops in a peacekeeping capacity should there be a ceasefire.
If Europe can just get Trump to back the fuck of on Greenland it makes it easier to help with Ukraine. Since America can't be relied on at all there.
The ultimate nightmare scenario would be America and Russia doing some sort of pincer movement on Europe. Much like Germany and Russia did to Poland actually. I don't think that's likely now but it is definitely a possibility for the future. The only way to avoid it is to show strength.

** It's not even about being able to beat the US. But it would be awkward if we were completely out.

We (meaning European leaders in general) got him to back down on Denmark. What kick in the teeth are you referring to?
I dislike Trump as much as you and wish we didn’t have to deal with him, but we do and provoking him to actually attack a NATO country would be silly. Badenoch hasn’t condemned him more. And she didn’t condemn his comments about NATO servicemen hanging back from the front lines at all for quite some considerable time (I guess until she saw which way the wind was blowing on that). She’s agreed with him rather a a lot recently.
I didn’t say we couldn’t move away from the US incidentally, I definitely think we should be moving closer to the EU and reducing our dependence on the US. What I said was that we can’t completely stop dealing with them, which is what you said you wanted. Nobody is ‘crawling’ either.

Edit: where did I call anything a childish insult? I said it was a juvenile term. Which it is b

Yeah being diplomatic has got us what exactly? kicked in the teeth by Trump and those around him, they are laughing at us.

Of course we can move away from the US, why do people think we always have to go crawling to them?

Badenochs condemnation was far harsher than Starmer's and all politicians say what they think is expedient, you surely know that?

If i want to make (what you call) childish insults i fucking well will, the guy is cunt and few things i have ever heard have made me more angry, i feel so sorry my cousin right now.

I couldn't sleep last night - I kept thinking of that bewildered little boy wearing his bunny hat. I cannot believe some of the comments I have read on MN of all places, a parenting site. And to think that Farage wants an ICE private army style group in the UK. Shameful, utterly abhorrent. Both him and the orange turd.

Badenoch has it right going running to Americans to undermine the govenrment over Chagos? She says whatever is expedient for Badenoch. She’s not thinking about the country at all.
The response is highly diplomatic but that doesn’t make it weak. ‘Sucking up’ is a very juvenile term for very adult situations like this. We can’t have ‘nothing to do’ with the US. That’s just not possible.

He has always been this way. He rambles more but he has always said provocative things, he is racist, sexist and simply does not care if he is being disrespectful backtracks, ignores when he has been pulled up for contradicting himself or policy and has let it be known his plans for the future.

Unfortunaly losing (not in his words) the 2020 election gave him and his team more time to plan their project. is actions are all personal he could not give a fuck about world peace, its money, his ego and now leaving a legacy which he certainly is in the most destructive ways for the US

At last leaders are standing up to him, what they need to be careful of is making this about themselves it has to be collective but why they have not before or why they are acting shocked I can not fathom

Trump is a cxxt, along with anyone else who supports him on anything at all.... disgusting man and the sooner we have nothing at all to do with the US the better.

Special Relationship is dead and buried.

& the Labour Govt's so called condemnation is very weak, shameful, still sucking up and getting kicked in the teeth.

Badenoch has got this right.

Hopefully not. The world needs more fact checking

I expect CNN will find a way to get rid of him at some point

https://edition.cnn.com/profiles/daniel-dale

Wow.

No one. How did they skip out of WW1 and WW2, let alone more recent conflicts.

They seem quite spineless and just nod along to Trump. Anyone got any balls in America care to fact check him?

Hes a complete idiot.

He needs someone to fact check.him as he goes since he makes up so much as he goes.

NATO were in Afghanistan. British troops served and died there, on the front line.

Complete tosser, idiotic and who on earth believes anything he says anymore!

I really want the Trump defenders to come on and defend this. I have to think it's a reach even for them? Or are they too busy defending the kidnapping of a 5 year old?

I'm sure there's truth to this, but I can't tell you how many people I've met since living here who say, oh, you're from New York? I know someone from there, and then name a place that's 350 miles away from NYC.

Lack of knowledge about other places abounds everywhere.

There is a procedure. It’s called the 25th Amendment. But it would require the majority in Congress to grow a spine, so…

As well as all those lives lost, there's all those with life changing injuries and mental scars from the conflict. How his comments haven't been a red line for more people, I have no idea. You have to be inhuman to think his comments were OK.

He is disgusting.

I dont think it should be that surprising.
He previously described US service personnel who died in war as "losers and suckers", and mocked his political rival (John McCain)s service and time in a prisoner of war camp.

I honestly think he respects UK and EU soldiers as much as he respects American soldiers.

Besides, Vance et al have been yapping along similar lines for ages.

For a draft-dodger to say that... new depths plumbed every day

He's pulled another one and insulted most of the veterans who fought the war in Afghanistan:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cdxjjwjvkkzt

The world watches in amazement as USA knowingly disgraces itself.

At this point I think the Press Secretary is lying for no other purpose than to show that she can do so with impunity, so who raises the alarm?

Theoretically the mid-terms should create the possibility of opposition.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-ice-protest-arrest-altered-image

Remember simpler times when everyone was worried about the Princess of Wales's digitally altered pictures?