AIBU to want clearer boundaries around adult time in a blended family?

By the way unless particularly tricky involving them, financial conversations are actually good to have in front of dc, it means they grow up understanding about money, finances, etc. My dc are so much better for not having things hidden

If the kid has moved into their house with some kind of trauma (that we haven't been told about) having previously had no set bedtimes, and been told 'now you have to go to bed at 9pm' and is constantly wondering why her SM is trying to whisper about her to her father, and being glared at when she tries to sit and watch TV with them in the evenings or just have a chat with her dad - then the problem isn't the kid.

At 14 there really isn’t much adult only time, bed time at 9 is pretty early for 14, 10 is more reasonable so for the next few months you need to be realistic on that but the flip side is they mustn’t interrupt you. Dc also at 14 are involved in some decision making so it’s best to let them be involved as appropriate only keeping things that are inappropriate to yourselves

Actually I read your OP the same way. It does sound like you don’t really want them around and are protective of’ adult time’ but justifying it that ‘children feel safer’. You really need to treat this child as a member of the family. They absolutely will want to be with you some of the time unless they choose to spend time in their own bedroom. I can’t imagine expecting one of my children to leave the room to give me adult time. My adult time takes place in my own bedroom at night. likewise a 14 year-old will want to have some say over plans and rules and it’s fair that you allow this. When your own child gets to this age, you might well feel differently and treating them differently to how you treated your step child will not be a good look.

Unnecessary. The suggestions were all totally reasonable. You seem defensive. You're also using a lot of 'therapy' language like 'reframing the narrative' but really you just want your SD to leave you alone with your husband in the evenings. Just be honest and say it. Although it's a shame for the SD that you're here seeking validation for that.

It would be far easier to make time for such conversations if/when the 14yo had their own friends over visiting - but I'm guessing that hasn't happened yet, if they've just moved house (and school?) - as they definitely wouldn't want to be spend that visit hanging around with both of you!

Are there any youth clubs or groups they could go to nearby? even if just for an hour or so.. this might also help them make some new friends in the local area, to hang out with...

If you just need to check in quickly with your DP about something, could you combine that with a chore that entails going outside (fetching groceries from the car, putting the bins out, weeding the garden, vacuuming the car - tasks that no typical teenager would volunteer to help with, and that would necessitate putting on outdoor shoes and waterproof jackets)?

Or create more times when your DSD would naturally expect privacy for themselves - why not start a regular bath-time ritual? - this would probably give you at least half an hour completely uninterupted!

I can see how it must be a bit frustrating however around that age I would often go downstairs after homework etc to watch a programme with my parents and then up to bed at 10ish - a year or two later SC will likely be back hanging out in own room or with mates!! It’s not long and might help you bond. I would leave it for now, maybe try and gently encourage the odd early night where SC can read / listen to something in their room but I wouldn’t exclude them from shared spaces.

I would ask dad to make firm rules about bedrooms being private spaces though, if you need a break you can take yourself off.

Lastly- communicate and use spaces in your home effectively, eg living room is for “living,” for whole family. If you need to have a discussion about finances etc - “We will be in the kitchen for a bit, we need to go through some bank statements etc. Do you want to watch telly with a hot choc or go upstairs and read?”

She probably is struggling. She’s just lost her mother for reasons not explained by OP, and she’s had to move from mum’s house into Dad and step-mum’s house. I think it’s perfectly normal that she is seeking a bit of love and reassurance.

That said, I don’t remember my parents and step-parents ever disappearing off to have secret chats or defined adult time. We all had our dinner and watched tv together in the evenings as a family. They must have done that kind of stuff after bed or when we were elsewhere.

Prioritise your DSC. Not “adult time”. You sound like you’ve swallowed a parenting book going on about boundaries. Sounds like this child needs love and to be listened to, not rules at the moment. 9pm bedtime is way too early.

Scouts, cadets and similar that many 14 year olds will be doing often finish at 9pm or 9:30.

if you have teens who do a lot of activities a 9pm bedtime becomes impossible quite early.

Sorry. Hadn’t picked up it was a girl. Doesn’t alter my post though.

I think there's a mental shift you need to make from thinking that it's your house that the dc live in, to seeing the house as belonging to all of you.

Ultimately, I'd expect "adult time" to be pretty limited with dc of those ages in the family. Maybe it's been a bit of a shock to the system as you aren't used to having a teen about?

How would you feel if there were rules about you not being able to use parts of the house so two other members of the family could have special time together which you are excluded from? Can you see how that would increase anxiety and clinginess?

Yes I came to say the same thing really, this is so, so far from any 14 year old behavior that I know, I feel like the child is really struggling with a lot of things right now. Unless there are additional needs ? And 9pm for a 14 year old is early. This is a very big adjustment for you all. Possibly you are used to having your other child asleep from 7pm with lots of uninterrupted adult time in the evening.

Parents tend to have these types of conversations when the child/children are in bed, so after 10pm…. Not ideal, as wouldn’t it be lovely if parents got a hour a day uninterrupted time to discuss life admin with their partner, but that’s completely unrealistic.

Most parents aren’t setting defined times in the day when children are around to have private conversations.

It’s part of parenting adolescents, having them be in the home and them being present.

The following you around sounds like they are anxious, maybe they think you are speaking about then, maybe they’re frightened you’re discussing their living arrangements without them. To be fair if my Dad and Step-mum kept leaving the room to chat privately I’d probably think that as a 14 y/o.

You need to tackle this head on. At 14 the child should accept that you and DP need space. He is also old enough to have a “grown up” conversation about his feelings which will be very helpful if sensitively handled. Reassure him that he is welcome and loved but be clear about your boundaries.

Thank you 😁

I have toddlers.

The kid being 14 is a red herring. It's just having kids.

I know nothing about blended families so won't comment on hat.

You fit adult conversations in when you can. You fit date nights in by getting a babysitter.

You'll soon not get a word in edgeways because you'll be being asked: "Why?". Every 20 seconds or so.

Welcome to parenthood.

I think it’s normal that anxiety is a little high but we are also talking about a 14 year old not a 4 year old.
Its a big transition to living somewhere else to normal and she is probably anxious as to how she fits in.
I can say to mine ‘can you just give me and Dad a minute’ or give them a task to do in another room, but can see that by sending her away specifically to talk she may feel like you are discussing her.
I think time is all that is needed, once settled she will spend more time in her room (I struggle to get mine out of theirs🙈) but also we do have some conversations in front of the children, age appropriate obvious but they know that if we’re saving for something, or if things are a little quiet at work etc
We don’t hide life from them and have private conversations all the time, children worry more if they feel things are being kept from them but equally I’m sure if you said her ‘ Rose, would you mind setting the table whilst I have a quick chat with your Dad about something that cropped up at work today?’ she’ll probably be fine and go ahead and do it.

OK, so I haven't read every reply but I have read all of your posts, OP.

It's clear that, for whatever reasons, you currently desire a significant amount of time to have conversations with your partner without his 14 year old daughter present.

Maybe you are coming at this from the wrong angle. Maybe you need to ask yourself why this is - are there issues in the relationship that are creating this need? Because it isn't a standard need in most families, as the majority of responses here must be showing you.

Yes, all adults who choose to be in relationships do need private time to nurture those, but when you have an older child/teen in the house, this is done after they are in bed/when they are out with friends/occasional date nights.

When my daughter is with me (shared custody) I expect and want to spend the whole of my evenings with her until she goes to bed. She is my favourite person and the centre of my world and there is nobody else I would rather spend time with.

If I was in a relationship and that relationship was regularly requiring conversations that took me away from spending time with my daughter, I'd look to change that relationship, not my daughter's behaviour.

I can completely get that, once a week say, something might come up that requires an urgent chat with your partner before 9pm - in that case it's fine to say to his daughter, we are just going into the bedroom, just need to chat about something personal, don't panic, it's nothing bad and nothing about you. 14 is easily old enough to cope with that. But if you need these private chats nightly and for extended periods of time, I would start to wonder if your relationship isn't causing more problems than it's bringing benefits.

Have you asked your husband whether he actually has any problem with his daughter wanting to be with himo during the evenings? And if so, what does he say?

That's rude. The bulk of that post addresses some of the practicalities of what you are asking. And it's clear that you are swerving the posts that have laid out why you will have to readjust your own expectations, not just find solutions to have her mould better to your preference.

3 yo DS, 11 and 14 year old DSDs here. I hear you, its difficult when you have a toddler on the go from 7am and a teen who needs emotionally available parenting until 11pm. No perfect solution, we just divide and conquer, whoever does the toddler morning can bath/bed early night once hes asleep and the other stays up to be around for the maybe musings and the late night homework discoveries. Its not forever.

We also WhatsApp each other the not for their ears stuff