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To think we should put a stop to terms like 'toxic', 'narcissistic', 'gaslighting'...

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justalittlethought · 20/01/2026 22:12

..'safe space', 'boundaries'.

These words were not widely used before 2014/15 (in the way we use them so liberally now), peaking - I'm guessing - around 2020/2022?

Guess what - basically mirroring the Tik Tok, Social Media / Influencer boom.

I'm thoroughly fed up with people using these terms.

Also, people using sociopath and psychopath willy-nilly. These used to be terms used by psychologists/psychiatrists about individual who had some level of formal diagnosis using the DSM-IV.

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JamesClyman · 21/01/2026 00:35

Given what you propose is totally impossible to put into effect, YABU.

Catza · 20/01/2026 23:53

YourTruthorMine · 20/01/2026 23:34

So much gatekeeping around this topic — you really have to wonder why. Apparently I’m allowed to point out “signs,” but not “traits.” Right, okay… because that’s a totally meaningful distinction and not just people tying themselves in knots to police the language of anyone who’s actually lived through it.

Signs of abuse yes. Because abuse is not a psychological condition. It's a set of behaviours.
You haven't even achieved sufficient levels of reading comprehension. I am really not convinced you should be diagnosing anyone.

YourKhakiViper · 20/01/2026 23:50

Agree. Tiresome language used by tiresome people.

jbm16 · 20/01/2026 23:44

HRTQueen · 20/01/2026 22:51

I think the words toxic, boundaries and gaslighting are very useful words that can be empowering (I guess that’s a words disliked too)

language evolves and has down long before the internet

The problem is when they are overused and used out of context it devalues the meaning.

Tigerbalmshark · 20/01/2026 23:40

XenoBitch · 20/01/2026 22:36

Look up the term gaslighting. It was around long before the internet.

Yes but not as a synonym for “disagrees with me”

Mhhk · 20/01/2026 23:39

I don’t agree. Getting rid of the words would mean silencing victims.
I think only someone who is viewed as narcissistic by others themselves would want the words erased.

YourTruthorMine · 20/01/2026 23:34

Catza · 20/01/2026 22:45

Are you a psychiatrist? If not, then pointing out traits is something you have no business doing.
Surely, it would have been enough to point the signs of abuse. Abuse was, after all, the issue.
People don't have to have narcissistic or sociopathic traits in order to abuse someone.

So much gatekeeping around this topic — you really have to wonder why. Apparently I’m allowed to point out “signs,” but not “traits.” Right, okay… because that’s a totally meaningful distinction and not just people tying themselves in knots to police the language of anyone who’s actually lived through it.

researchers3 · 20/01/2026 23:07

justalittlethought · 20/01/2026 22:12

..'safe space', 'boundaries'.

These words were not widely used before 2014/15 (in the way we use them so liberally now), peaking - I'm guessing - around 2020/2022?

Guess what - basically mirroring the Tik Tok, Social Media / Influencer boom.

I'm thoroughly fed up with people using these terms.

Also, people using sociopath and psychopath willy-nilly. These used to be terms used by psychologists/psychiatrists about individual who had some level of formal diagnosis using the DSM-IV.

I mean, my ex is a narcissist and did gaslight me. Those things are facts, should I not say these words because other people overuse and misuse them?

Pinkladyapplepie · 20/01/2026 23:05

As some replies say some of these terms have been around for a long time. Yes they have been used more in recent years because we have better access to knowledge and ppl discuss things more and more openly. I for one am grateful, there were ways that I was treated in my marriage which was unacceptable but I didn't have the language to say what it was many years ago. Now I can tell you my ex was a manipulative, controlling sexpest. I have since also come to realise that I have lived with a couple of cock lodgers(not both at the same time!)
Having these terms has made it clear to me, how I have been treated in the past and thankfully my DDs are better informed and would not put up with such shit.

Catza · 20/01/2026 23:04

Rhaidimiddim · 20/01/2026 22:59

Narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths aren't known for consulting health professionals. If we had to rely on a clinical diagnosis there wouldn't be any, outside of prisons.

Oh, and before there were professional qualifications and the proprietorial appropriation of diagnostic authority that came with it:

People who weren't accredited ornithologists could still spot a duck (and probably differentiate between ducks and geese)

People who were not qualified GPs could diagnose a squint. Or measles. Or a broken arm

People who weren't qualified midwives could deliver a baby

Etc

First para edited to avoid an amibiguous meaning, and typos.

Edited

What a ridiculous statement. Where do you think all the people with an established diagnosis of NPD came from if not for having a clinical diagnosis?

Rhaidimiddim · 20/01/2026 22:59

Catza · 20/01/2026 22:45

Are you a psychiatrist? If not, then pointing out traits is something you have no business doing.
Surely, it would have been enough to point the signs of abuse. Abuse was, after all, the issue.
People don't have to have narcissistic or sociopathic traits in order to abuse someone.

Narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths aren't known for consulting health professionals. If we had to rely on a clinical diagnosis there wouldn't be any, outside of prisons.

Oh, and before there were professional qualifications and the proprietorial appropriation of diagnostic authority that came with it:

People who weren't accredited ornithologists could still spot a duck (and probably differentiate between ducks and geese)

People who were not qualified GPs could diagnose a squint. Or measles. Or a broken arm

People who weren't qualified midwives could deliver a baby

Etc

First para edited to avoid an amibiguous meaning, and typos.

HRTQueen · 20/01/2026 22:51

I think the words toxic, boundaries and gaslighting are very useful words that can be empowering (I guess that’s a words disliked too)

language evolves and has down long before the internet

Catza · 20/01/2026 22:45

YourTruthorMine · 20/01/2026 22:28

Hard disagree. People with narcissistic traits or certain personality disorders rarely seek a diagnosis themselves, which is exactly why wider awareness is so important. My friend was being abused for years and had no idea her ex‑husband’s behaviour fit this pattern until I pointed it out.

She’s still in a horrendous situation because of him, but if she'd recognised the signs earlier, she could have got support sooner and perhaps not lost her children (very sad situation)

My dad showed many traits of sociopathic behaviour, and the idea of him ever seeing a therapist or seeking a diagnosis is laughable. It just wouldn’t have happened — not in a million years. Part of the pattern is that they see rules as something for other people, and that extends to engaging with therapy or any kind of accountability.

Are you a psychiatrist? If not, then pointing out traits is something you have no business doing.
Surely, it would have been enough to point the signs of abuse. Abuse was, after all, the issue.
People don't have to have narcissistic or sociopathic traits in order to abuse someone.

Zov · 20/01/2026 22:42

XenoBitch · 20/01/2026 22:36

Look up the term gaslighting. It was around long before the internet.

Yep. Some 80 years old it is. Comes from a Play, that was made into a film...

Gas Light (and its famous 1944 film adaptation), where a husband manipulates his wife by subtly dimming the home's gaslights and denying the change, making her doubt her own perception and sanity to control her and steal from her. This psychological abuse tactic, where one person makes another question their reality, became synonymous with the play's title.
Origin in Gas Light

  • The Play: In Patrick Hamilton's 1938 play, a husband, Jack, subtly alters his wife Bella's environment, including turning on the gaslights in the attic, which causes the downstairs lights to dim slightly.
  • The Manipulation:
  • When Bella notices the flickering lights and hears footsteps, Jack denies it, convincing her she's imagining things and going insane
  • .
  • The Goal: His manipulation aims to make her dependent and unable to trust her own senses, allowing him to steal her jewels.
From Stage to Modern Language Film Adaptation: The 1944 Hollywood film Gaslight, starring Ingrid Bergman, popularized the story and the term. Meaning: The phrase "gaslighting" entered the lexicon to describe this specific form of psychological abuse, where an abuser makes a victim doubt their memories, perceptions, and sanity to gain power and control.
Shoemadlady · 20/01/2026 22:41

The word that drives me mad is when people keep saying “I was so triggered” oh my god! Get a grip!

Slightyamusedandsilly · 20/01/2026 22:41

Please god yes, ban them! I immediately discount what is being said due to the cringe factor.

He's a classic narc.
My MiL is just toxic.
The youth of today are entitled.
Speaking my truth.
They're gaslighting me.
Just grey rock him.

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Zov · 20/01/2026 22:38

YYYDlilah · 20/01/2026 22:30

Are you always this controlling, @justalittlethought .
Only a narcissist would start such a toxic thread and you are gaslighting us.

😆

ValidPistachio · 20/01/2026 22:37

BitterTits · 20/01/2026 22:20

Who made you the boss of language? I love the word gaslighting and it's origins; I'm not stopping using it.

I love it too. Unfortunately, nearly everyone seems to think it means any sort of lie, in any situation, no matter how innocuous.

sprigatito · 20/01/2026 22:37

How are you proposing to “put a stop to” other people using these words? I can think of a few people who would like discussion of gaslighting and toxic behaviour banned, especially by women talking to women, but I don’t think you’d enjoy being lumped in with them. It’s not a very pleasant agenda, whether you mean to be carrying it or not.

XenoBitch · 20/01/2026 22:36

Look up the term gaslighting. It was around long before the internet.

XenoBitch · 20/01/2026 22:35

Boundaries has been in use for a long time. It is not new at all.
I have found the people who get annoyed at terms like that are the reason we use that language to begin with.

smallglassbottle · 20/01/2026 22:35

I was actually gaslighted by employers once. It freaked me out and I had to leave. It made me feel as though I was going mad.

Shakeoffyourchains · 20/01/2026 22:33

justalittlethought · 20/01/2026 22:12

..'safe space', 'boundaries'.

These words were not widely used before 2014/15 (in the way we use them so liberally now), peaking - I'm guessing - around 2020/2022?

Guess what - basically mirroring the Tik Tok, Social Media / Influencer boom.

I'm thoroughly fed up with people using these terms.

Also, people using sociopath and psychopath willy-nilly. These used to be terms used by psychologists/psychiatrists about individual who had some level of formal diagnosis using the DSM-IV.

Hmmm, this sounds very much like something a toxic, gaslighting narcissist would say imho 🤔

Rhaidimiddim · 20/01/2026 22:32

I'd like to put a stop to the term "put a stop" and to the actual practice of putting a stop to words.

YYYDlilah · 20/01/2026 22:30

Are you always this controlling, @justalittlethought .
Only a narcissist would start such a toxic thread and you are gaslighting us.

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