Will my life be better if I move to USA?

It will be incredible for you
there. There are no WASPS or East Coast political & intellectual aristocracy.

You will be embraced by ICE as a true-believer.

There is no corpocracy or billionaire class.

You will be seen fully human in the US, in a way you are not in the UK.

Sound good?

You’ve never known snobbery like the East Coast elite.

Go, trade our lovely old country for US. Just be prepared to be seized by ICE as even fully fledged citizens are not exempt from being incarcerated and don't fall ill as the healthcare is none existent unless you have deep pockets.

I think this post is a wind up. Nobody in their right mind would really be contemplating going to US even for a holiday with the current crooked Administration in charge.

US citizens are emigrating to Europe in the thousands, fleeing US like rats from a sinking ship.

Have you considered Russia? No elitism there 😁 Petrol and bread queues could keep you occupied whilst getting over the trauma of Oxford and Emma Thompson's accent.

Where are you from, op

If it's anywhere remotely up North, then yes I can get on board with what you're saying.

Most of MN is from the home counties so will have no idea what you're on about

I’ve lived in both the US and the UK, they are not that different. We have a class system here as well. The grass is not greener over here.

In my experience, the university you went to can be important in getting your first job, and then becomes largely irrelevant. There are lots of Ivy League grads working as baristas because they studied art history or sociology, or have poor people skills.

My son went to a small, mid tier college and got an internship and job offer from a big four accounting firm, and now has a very successful and lucrative career. Merit still matters a lot.

There is only a class system here if people like you perpetuate it. BTW, your language suggests you are an inverse snob.
Some of those you mention do have some talent though - I mean the actors not the politicians!

Ref private schools - they exist in the USA too! As do elitist universities....

The reality is there are rich families, middle income families and lowerinvome families. . That is what needs to stop. The middles work hard, some manage to make it to become rich but most don't. The lowers lack access to opportunity, some make it to middle very few make it rich. The rich use nepotism to get on, you can only do this if you have connections so the middle and lower mainly miss out.

It is crap, I agree. Statistically a bright kid from state school will do less well than a average kid who was privately educated. I do not know if this is different in the USA though. Maybe take a look at some stats before living there.

Also the COL is crazy in the USA and I'm not sure income is better than here, so take a look at that too. Whilst the orange one is in charge I'd probably stay here, but honestly given the chance I'd move to the USA.

If you're not rich, professionally successful, beautiful, well-dressed and well-connected they'll despise you.

Um, no. There's a large British ex-pat community where I live (the northern suburbs of NYC) who don't fit that description and fit right in here, with loads of friends, because they are lovely people. I go to church with two of them.

Despise? Where on earth did that come from?

So was it Oxford or Cambridge that rejected you?

That aside, anyone who wants to go to America probably deserves what’s waiting for them there.

I checked the website, and you are correct. You used to be able to upgrade to a sleeper, but they seem to have discontinued that option. You could use the pass to travel to day-trip destinations and buy the sleeper-car tickets separately.

Or you could rent a car, but I expect that would be more expensive, and many people wouldn't want to do that much driving, especially out west where cities are so far apart. The rail pass would work nicely on the east and west coasts, though. Think Boston to NYC to Philadelphia to Baltimore to Washington, DC. Those are all only a few hours apart on Amtrak.

I gather you have never heard of Ivy League Universities?

The US has its own types of aristocrats - try reading "How to lose friends and alienate people". If you're not rich, professionally successful, beautiful, well-dressed and well-connected they'll despise you. They have elite private schools and universities there, too.
But seriously, OP. Rather than emigrate, just move to somewhere like Sheffield or Newcastle. Nice cities with friendly people who are not overly posh.
However, I rather suspect that you want to see yourself as one of the elite and are hoping that America will offer you a short-cut to that status.

you can buy a rail pass and travel all over.
@MissConductUS I looked into that a while back, doesn't it just cover Coach? I don't think it's like Interrail where you can just pay a supplement and get a sleeper berth.

Imo the us is worse than uk for lack of social mobility, it’s just the effective class system is expressed differently. Which uni you went to is used to discriminate for jobs at least as much as in the uk, in fact it has seemed more blatant and more acceptable to openly make that discrimination. But give it a try. Why not?

Harvard? Yale? Do you really think it doesn't exist there?

The US - meritocratic?! I suppose it's just a coincidence that the names "Bush" and "Clinton" appear in presidential races so often.

Anyone with ability can go to Oxbridge. The fees will be the same as at any other British university. Look up the fees at Harvard to compare.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.
Trump feels entitled to "grab them by the pussy" because he is rich. He certainly didn't earn his wealth through hard graft either, he's the world's biggest grifter. Mind you, just like they treated his dad, the old money in New York (NY has a class system too) wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.

I think the Oxbridge elite are more ornamental in the US.

When I went out there (I'm not elite 🤣), I got 'oh my god, your British accent is so cute' a lot.

I'm curious where your hatred comes from? It's not as much of a factor in fields like tech, sales, science.

Layers of class and privilege exist in the USA just as much as in the uk. They are just more hidden.

why not move to Finland for a more equal society?

I was about to suggest the same!
No need to move to the states, just move up north!

Well I’m sure there’s a few but it’s a geographically huge country so less chance of being annoyed by one.

Okay… don’t go to the north east then or south east. But good luck!

Indeed - Russia is very lacking in Oxford graduates, I understand?

No it’s dominated by Ivy league graduates (Harvard, Yale, Duke etc). Look at where its President went.

If you go, you’ll need a good private health care plan - a month’s diabetes medication is $2-4000. Free on the NHS.

Think someone just got a reject letter.

The Oxford offers and rejections were released last week.

I'm guessing that the grapes are very sour in the Yatre household right now.