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Will my life be better if I move to USA?

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Yatre · 19/01/2026 22:51

I truly hate the UK class system.

I hate the whole private school vs grammar school vs state school elitism.

I hate the Oxbridge elitism and how Oxbridge-educated people dominate public life and the arrogance many of them have.

I hate the posh Etonians and Harrovians.

I hate the elitism of the Royal Family, the British aristocracy, all those titles and landed estates, the House of Lords etc.

Just the existence of certain British politicans (regardless of their politics - because this isn’t necessarily about their political beliefs) really irks me. Think David Cameron or Boris Johnson. Both upper-class, privately-educated, Oxford/Bullingdon Club, which have given them a great sense of arrogance about their position in life.

I hate the Oxford Union and the way they all dress up in posh attire, acting all special, and thinking their oratory skills will materialise into anything of worth.

This arrogance has been talked about before with many Brits believing that these Oxbridge, privately-educated, middle and upper-class people have the arrogance to think they have the right to run the country.

They’re present everywhere. Edward Davey, Keir Starmer, Suella Braverman, Tony Blair etc. it’s not just a right-wing thing. In fat, you could argue, these days, it’s more so left-wing.

Even successful British actors like Emma Thompson, Tom Hiddleston, Eddie Redmayne etc exhibit these attributes. They

I just don’t want to have to live in the same country as these types of people or listen to their antics.

Luckily, I’m a dual UK-US citizen since I was born in the US while my parents were living there for a while, but I have never been there since my parents returned and I don’t know anyone there.

I really want to move to the US.

If you know what it’s like to live in the USA, can you just tell me whether if I moved to the USA, I wouldn’t have to come across any of those posh, aristocratic, upper/middle-class, privately-educated, titled, Oxbridge graduate snobs that I mentioned.

I would live in a much more meritocratic country where nobody would tolerate Oxford Union debaters thinking their opinion matters or privately-educated people thinking they have a right to run the country.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

So, if I move to USA will I be free from these types of people or will I still see some of them/hear from them? I’m not sure if America is dominated by middle-class or posh, Oxbridge graduates or aristocrats.

Sorry for the rant. Just felt overwhelmed.

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poetryandwine · 20/01/2026 15:34

The standard, reliable sources say that 25-40% of UGs at Harvard and the other Ivies geared to affluence come from private schools, OP. And with Trump’s anti-DEI stance, this will only be getting worse.

But this seems worse to me: there are over 20,000 high schools and about 11,000 K-12 (all years) schools in the USA. Over 30,000 schools from which to admit UG students. Typically about 9% of Harvard entrants are from just 21 of these schools.

Equal opportunity, you say?

DdraigGoch · 20/01/2026 15:21

Yatre · 20/01/2026 12:18

Most of those state school-educated students actually went to selective grammar schools and/or are from wealthy, middle-class families.

Citation needed.

Perhaps you should look at what proportion of Yale/Harvard students came from private schools.

DdraigGoch · 20/01/2026 15:10

Spidey66 · 20/01/2026 07:57

Also wasn't Cecil Rhodes involved in the slave trade ? In which case it's payback for his past crimes to pay bursaries for African students. (I maybe wrong, if so apologies. I just remember there was a school near where I lived called Rhodes Primary which the LA was considering renaming following the murder of George Floyd and BLM protests that followed.)

He was born in 1853, 15 years after the abolition of slavery so I doubt that he had any involvement. Son of a vicar so I doubt that he inherited any slave-generated wealth either.

I believe that the reason that he is a controversial figure is down to land appropriation when he was the Prime Minister of South Africa.

outdooryone · 20/01/2026 15:05

Yatre · 20/01/2026 12:18

Most of those state school-educated students actually went to selective grammar schools and/or are from wealthy, middle-class families.

The gap between wealth and opportunity in the US is much larger than in the UK.

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/wealth-inequality-united-states-and-great-britain

ForTheForseeable · 20/01/2026 15:00

Yatre · 20/01/2026 12:18

Most of those state school-educated students actually went to selective grammar schools and/or are from wealthy, middle-class families.

A tiny proportion of the country has grammar schools.

Also how one with would you know the stats? Honestly it's a weird fixation

maudelovesharold · 20/01/2026 13:13

Yatre · 20/01/2026 12:18

Most of those state school-educated students actually went to selective grammar schools and/or are from wealthy, middle-class families.

I don’t think you’ll find anything is different in the US. They have rich people sending their kids to private schools there, too, and they have selective schools for high achieving students. You’ll probably find that a disproportionate percentage of those who get into ‘Ivy League’ universities in the US (similar to Oxbridge) come from private or selective public (state) schools and that the vast majority of Ivy League students are from families who are well-off. Privilege is everywhere, even in ‘Communist’ countries, let alone the ‘money is power’ US of A!

Yatre · 20/01/2026 12:18

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 20/01/2026 11:11

This is such an odd rant. A quick google tells me 66% of Oxbridge admissions, and 71% of Cambridge admissions are state school educated.
I hate Boris Johnson too, but I wouldn’t move to the USA to avoid him. What does he even do nowadays apart from write spiteful (and also incorrect and stupid) columns for the Daily fail?

Most of those state school-educated students actually went to selective grammar schools and/or are from wealthy, middle-class families.

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Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 20/01/2026 11:11

This is such an odd rant. A quick google tells me 66% of Oxbridge admissions, and 71% of Cambridge admissions are state school educated.
I hate Boris Johnson too, but I wouldn’t move to the USA to avoid him. What does he even do nowadays apart from write spiteful (and also incorrect and stupid) columns for the Daily fail?

WestwardHo1 · 20/01/2026 10:42

Jesus OP.

Do you think America will cure you of the enormous chip on your shoulder? They have rich people there too, you know. And how do you think political dynasties like the Kennedys and the Bushes came to power? Even Trump the lunatic maverick bought his way in.

TheGrimSmile · 20/01/2026 10:40

Also- you don't think Trump acts like he's entitled?!?🙄

TheGrimSmile · 20/01/2026 10:39

The US is not a meritocracy. The vast majority of wealthy people there were born into wealth. Research shows that social mobility is rare. Wealth disparity there is huge: extreme poverty alongside obscene wealth. There is snobbery there too. Lots of American "how to look Old Money" clips are on instagram.

poetryandwine · 20/01/2026 10:31

Kendodd · 20/01/2026 09:07

As you're a US citizen OP, have you filed a US tax return every year?

If OP is very young their earnings may be below the filing threshold.

But yes, OP, as an adult US citizen you are required to pay Federal income tax on your worldwide income. It’s a hoot.

There is a UK-US tax treaty mostly preventing double taxation but it still isn’t one of life’s pleasures. If you don’t pay, you can be detained at the border (in extreme cases) . Much as I despise almost all of the current border shenanigans, I do agree with the right of each nation to enforce its tax laws so this doesn’t bother me.

outdooryone · 20/01/2026 10:31

Your own attitudes, personal stresses, and many other things do not disappear because you move. They follow you.

I have family who have moved to Asia and then moved back, watched friends marriages fall apart after a move to Aus meant they discovered that the issue was them and their relationship not everything else they blamed it on.

Move for GOOD reasons, things that make you want to be there.

Discombobble · 20/01/2026 10:08

Yatre · 19/01/2026 22:51

I truly hate the UK class system.

I hate the whole private school vs grammar school vs state school elitism.

I hate the Oxbridge elitism and how Oxbridge-educated people dominate public life and the arrogance many of them have.

I hate the posh Etonians and Harrovians.

I hate the elitism of the Royal Family, the British aristocracy, all those titles and landed estates, the House of Lords etc.

Just the existence of certain British politicans (regardless of their politics - because this isn’t necessarily about their political beliefs) really irks me. Think David Cameron or Boris Johnson. Both upper-class, privately-educated, Oxford/Bullingdon Club, which have given them a great sense of arrogance about their position in life.

I hate the Oxford Union and the way they all dress up in posh attire, acting all special, and thinking their oratory skills will materialise into anything of worth.

This arrogance has been talked about before with many Brits believing that these Oxbridge, privately-educated, middle and upper-class people have the arrogance to think they have the right to run the country.

They’re present everywhere. Edward Davey, Keir Starmer, Suella Braverman, Tony Blair etc. it’s not just a right-wing thing. In fat, you could argue, these days, it’s more so left-wing.

Even successful British actors like Emma Thompson, Tom Hiddleston, Eddie Redmayne etc exhibit these attributes. They

I just don’t want to have to live in the same country as these types of people or listen to their antics.

Luckily, I’m a dual UK-US citizen since I was born in the US while my parents were living there for a while, but I have never been there since my parents returned and I don’t know anyone there.

I really want to move to the US.

If you know what it’s like to live in the USA, can you just tell me whether if I moved to the USA, I wouldn’t have to come across any of those posh, aristocratic, upper/middle-class, privately-educated, titled, Oxbridge graduate snobs that I mentioned.

I would live in a much more meritocratic country where nobody would tolerate Oxford Union debaters thinking their opinion matters or privately-educated people thinking they have a right to run the country.

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

So, if I move to USA will I be free from these types of people or will I still see some of them/hear from them? I’m not sure if America is dominated by middle-class or posh, Oxbridge graduates or aristocrats.

Sorry for the rant. Just felt overwhelmed.

If you move to the USA the chip on your shoulder will move with you

Sahara123 · 20/01/2026 10:01

Yatre · 19/01/2026 23:23

Is America dominated by Oxbridge people too?

What are you talking about . In my day to day life I don’t think I’ve ever come across any Oxbridge people, well, if I have I haven’t realised because they don’t let on 👀

Dgll · 20/01/2026 10:00

Oxford decisions came out last week.

Childrenare4life · 20/01/2026 09:50

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? How utterly riddled with jealousy and hate?
Imagine the opposite of what you're saying -
I can't stand living in the UK with all the common people, people who can't talk properly because they went to a state school. Do they not know that words such as 'water' and 'later' have the the letter 't' in them. Their hideous accents that make it hard to understand what they're talking about. I have no idea what the check out assistant said to me in Waitrose this morning because she was so common.

The lack of money and education that these people have is so evident and makes me sick. Yuck, I hate poor people. I think I need to move to somewhere posh where people are educated as the lack of brain cells around me is driving me crazy.

Yamyamabroad · 20/01/2026 09:47

RazedBeds · 19/01/2026 23:00

The words "chip" and "shoulder" spring to mind.

Definitely, going to live in the USA would just be exchanging that chip for a fry. I think you need some help here OP, that obsession is not normal and the rest of the UK don't spend their lives thinking about this.

HappyFace2025 · 20/01/2026 09:47

MissConductUS · 19/01/2026 23:27

I’ve never met one, so that would be a ‘no’.

No but Harvard, Yale etc also = a class system similar to Oxbridge.

Couldyounot · 20/01/2026 09:28

At least Trump’s wealth or that of the Kardashian’s isn’t offensive to me because it just feels different - it doesn’t feel as layered and it doesn’t make them act as entitled or snobbish.

Say the what now??

OP, move to the US if that's what you want to do and if you've dual citizenship that will presumably make it relatively straightforward. But you really need to find a way of dealing with this irrational prejudice you have about what is only ever going to be a very small proportion of the UK population.

renthead · 20/01/2026 09:20

TheRuffleandthePearl · 19/01/2026 23:31

Yeah this. It might not be Oxford educated people but it’s Harvard or Yale or generations of landowners, oil families, tech families, lawyer and doctor families …. There is wealth, privilege, snobbery, country club cliques, in any nation. The disparity is particularly obvious in countries like the US where one illness can leave you bankrupt and homeless.

good luck.

The interesting thing about the US and elite universities is that 'widening participation' isn't even a conversation there yet. The Ivy Leagues are dominated by the wealthy; the percentage of students who went to private school is much higher than it is at Oxbridge! I asked my cousin (a professor at Princeton) what steps the university was taking to widen opportunities for working class prospective students and he looked at me as if I had two heads...

blackpooolrock · 20/01/2026 09:15

Are you from a posh middle class family?

TranscendentTiger · 20/01/2026 09:13

Yatre · 19/01/2026 23:23

Is America dominated by Oxbridge people too?

Ivy League, not Oxbridge. It's just a different elite, born out of "new money" financial privilege rather "old money" in the UK.

I've lived in both places, been educated at elite universities, and I really don't understand what you think will be different in the US on the whole than the UK. In both countries you will experience a country run by a political elite linked to certain institutions and driven by inherited wealth.

There are obviously differences. Don't get ill in America - it's the leading cause of bankruptcy. But in the UK expect to pay more tax with sometimes little to show for it public services.

snowlaser · 20/01/2026 09:11

I went to an Independent secondary school. You might not even notice initially given how well I hide behind a Midlands accent, being a nice person, and having no interest whatsoever in running the country. I'm sorry you feel like you want to move thousands of miles away so that you don't have to see or hear "people like me", but I guess it's your choice.

In the US the only thing people care about, or value, is money. If you have money people will listen to you. If you don't, they won't.

That wouldn't work for me, so I prefer it here in the UK, even if occasionally Jacob Rees-Mogg gets TV airtime. Your life is your choice.

Kendodd · 20/01/2026 09:07

As you're a US citizen OP, have you filed a US tax return every year?