Mixed sex changing rooms?

Sorry this doesn’t make any sense to me. The leisure centre I worked in had 3 changing rooms - male, female and disabled. The latter was one big open space, the other two were rooms full of cubicles with a group shower in each. Apparently the male and female is going to be knocked into one. The cubicle doors do not reach the ground. You can sluice or hose water around easily into multiple cubicles at once.

if they are completely deserted and you are alone, it makes no difference either if a man decides to come in and assault you - if a creep decide to commit a sexual offense, pretty sure a little sign "women changing room" won't be much of a deterrent

@ThatCraftySquid the problem is that the extremist transactivists have broken down the usual (and quite effective) general & accepted social practices that kept single-sex spaces single-sex and comparatively safe. We all participated in making sure that "creeps" didn't lurk around or enter women's spaces.

Or a man could use a mixed sex changing cubicle, leave a recording device in there, and broadcast the images on the web. And so on. Most of us are quite innocent/naïve about the predilections of some men, and the lengths they'll go to to feed their fetishes.

The current situation s a result of extremist activists for trans rights, which should apparently trump anyone else's rights. Pop over to FWR to have it explained for you (gently) by the wonderful women there.

In the UK single sex spaces are only lawful provision when they are single sex spaces.

That some individuals
• ignored this or
• were told that they could ignore this or
• engaged in a misinformation campaign to ignore this or
• used any other excuse
did not make the space a single space with just a small number of the other sex space.

The argument about male members of staff is pathetic isn’t it. It’s a bit like saying we allow male members of staff in primary schools to be around little girls and boys, so what difference does it make if we then let random members of the public wander around the school?

I don’t think this is anything new. 🤷🏻‍♀️ You’re in a cubicle. I haven’t seen a ladies changing room in a shop in a decade. Our leisure centre has been mixed sex for probably 20 years. Everyone thinks it’s some gender war and the left is trying to indoctrinate us all. 😂 It’s because we live in towns where space is a premium. Why build 2 changing rooms when you can build one and have more sales space for making money? Or offering a HIIT suite for extra classes? It’s capitalism dressed up as anti-wokeness. 🙄

Men rape anyway why make it harder.

Bonus point
Strong male hero will be deterred by sign

A lot of people don’t understand the concept of basic safeguarding unfortunately. Are you likely to be attacked in a M&S changing room by a man (trans identifying or not) in your lifetime? Statistically probably not. You’re also (again statistically) unlikely to get burgled too but people still lock doors, have ring doorbells etc etc. Safeguarding measures and single sex spaces exist for a reason.

Moving to the personal blame game as a deflection stage.

You are making some assumptions

Which part of ignoring that there is an additional risk by removing safeguarding is funny?

Wondering if individual stores have their own policy as we visited next before Christmas and I was told I couldn’t enter the men’s changing rooms to look at what my teen was trying on and that he had to come out each time, even though he was the only person in there. They had the individual changing cubicles with locked doors, I wasn’t even allowed in the aisle I had to stand on the shop floor.
Teen wasn’t impressed he had to keep leaving the changing room each time to stand on the shop floor in front of others while we debated the item he had on.

Which part of ignoring that there is an additional risk by removing safeguarding is funny?

Men were buying ladies underwear and writing reviews of themselves wearing it. I think pictures may have been involved but am not sure.

Clearly getting off on the whole thing but M&S allowed the reviews to stand. They may even still be there.

Sorry, right you are, I somehow managed to read that and then erase it from my brain 🤦‍♀️

Dont misquote

AnSolas · Today 13:11
It is women who support sex crimes against women.

Apologies

This idea that 0.1 of men are somehow no longer men and no longer a risk is deluded and completely proven incorrect.

They just don't give a shit who get's hurt along the way. When evn Katie Dolotowski's victims weren't enough to make them understand the risks, that told me all I need to know about women who turn a blind eye to the risk to women. These were children who were harmed FFS.

Yes a man

And image(s) which will prove that "somebody" was engaged in non-contact sex abuse.

It was of a private area that he and others had access to.

It would appear he failed to obtain a image release form from other individuals who used that space.

So the Scottish police began a search of the whole building.

That included any public space and any semi-private and any private space in the building. Eg changing rooms and toilets and all the areas that were used to provide childcare.

That type of recording is recognised as a non-contact sex crime.

(Allowing any man into what should be a women only single sex space adds to the risk of harm coming to the women who use the space.)

Are you new to this conversation?

It is an irrefutable and very well know fact that men are still men even if they like to think they are women. The power of wishful thinking is not transformative in reality.

That fact has not only been established since the dawn of time, but is also thoroughly backed in law. Therefore stating this fact is not harassment or contemptible.

No, I was replying to you in solidarity. Didn’t want to encourage any more crap gifs from the gender ideology captured.

I think you've replied to the wrong person, I totally agree with you.

No you are totally (and probably deliberately) misunderstanding.

0.1 % are not the problem.

MEN are the problem as a sex class in terms of risk, the 0.1% who claim not to be men still are men and offend at the same rate as other men.

Safeguarding works to reduce risk, that's why all men were excluded on the basis of their SEX. Men having a gender identity doesn't alter the risk.

The proportion of trans identifying men in prison who are sex offenders rather proves the point.

You quoted me saying “I sometimes take mine in with me, and vice versa” and then blathered about assurances and consent. Irrelevant in the context of mixed sex changing rooms.

I was responding to that.

Is there a Godwin’s Law equivalent to “if you are female” on threads discussing single/mixed sex spaces? There should be. Yes I am.

My daughter (14) was trying on bras in M&S a few months ago. We were in the fitting rooms in the lingerie section. It was curtains and not locked doors in this particular store. I was on the other side of the curtain in case my daughter needed any help, and next thing I know, this woman walked in with a man following her! He walked right into the changing room and was loitering on the other side of the curtain!!!

Why he couldn’t wait outside of the changing rooms I really don’t know. It made me feel very uncomfortable and I did not feel like I could move the curtain to ask my daughter anything, nor could she show me her bra so I could check how it fitted.

My husband and grown up sons would never go into women’s changing rooms, let alone in the underwear section, they would be mortified. This bloke seemed to be doing it on purpose. When we left, I turned and said ‘what the hell do you think you’re doing in here?!’ he didn’t say anything back.

I complained in writing to M&S but they weren’t interested and could not see my point of view at all.

I don’t know why you mention 2010 - men using women’s spaces (even if they put a dress on) has never been ok.