To think the USA is on the verge of civil war?

2009–Obama’s first year in office—over 297,000 people were detained by ICE and deported. Only 39% (THIRTY-NINE PERCENT) of them had criminal records.
Obamas ice had over 50 illegals die from neglect. They also wrongfully detained a us citizen for OVER 3 years.

Trump has said 60% of those picked up have criminal charges. The difference is that some Democrat states will not allow ICE to pick up criminals from courthouses now, so they have to track them down and pick them up from the urban areas.

No one thinks it's ok for ICE agents to kill people or that it's a result of the victims' behavior

@YourBlueShark I'm sure that you and your friends don't but it isn't true to say that no one does. We've seen plenty of minimisation and victim-blaming on these very boards, never mind what the administration have said (and we all know that there are millions of Americans who believe every word Fox "News" tells them).

I'm an American in a coastal New England city in the US; pretty much everyone I know is extremely worried about everything you just listed. No one is being paid to protest. The protesters are not all nuts. They're regular, educated, employed, successful people with families. We're absolutely losing sleep over ICE. We're losing sleep over Greenland. We're losing sleep over the potential that we won't have midterm elections in 2026. No one thinks it's ok for ICE agents to kill people or that it's a result of the victims' behavior. I understand that maybe this isn't getting communicated across social media or through the news, but none of this is ok and we're absolutely losing sleep over it.

So hopeful for this!

This gets confused often; they absolutely do not. Only ~31.8% of US voters voted for Trump. Another ~30.9% voted for Harris. About 36.1% did not vote at all. There has also been a large swathe of folks who have realized that Trump does not support their interests as they'd thought he would and are no longer supporting Trump/MAGA.

We're not. We're protesting & marching daily across the country. We're forming nationwide walkouts. We're boycotting businesses like Target who support his administration. We're joining and helping to fund groups like the ACLU to sue ICE and every member of the Trump administration. We're writing and calling our representatives daily to invoke the 25th and pull him from office. Trump's supporters are very loud so it seems like there are far more of them than there are, especially once the bots on social media are mixed in, but we mostly HATE him and are working within all the resources to which we have access to get him the h* out of office and in prison. We're exhausted and frustrated and heartbroken for our country but we do want to avoid a violent Civil War. We have local groups to warn each other about ICE presence. I'm part of one that sends out an alert to hundreds of people if agents are spotted in our city and we go en masse to pressure them to leave. My city's mayor just signed an Executive Order stating that ICE agents cannot operate on any property owned by the city, whatsoever. We already worked with City Hall to add amendments to local safety laws prohibiting our city's police force from aiding ICE agents. We know it's still not enough, but we're not just ignoring what's happening, I promise. I know it looks insane to the rest of the world.

You sure about that?

Yes and so are we!

True. The protests in Los Angeles were fairly violent, though.

https://abc7.com/post/lasd-releases-new-photos-suspects-accused-throwing-large-rocks-chp-officers-duringanti-ice-protests-los-angeles/18273901/

They also set fire to dozens of vehicles.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/cop-cars-waymos-lit-fire-amid-protests-los-angeles-san-francisco

Minneapolis was perfectly calm without the ICE agents. So was Portland. So was Chicago. They are causing the upset by terrorising the cities who oppose the Tangerine Tyrant.

Note though that the protests are not violent. Protestors have not been shooting ICE officers, beating them up, using chemical weapons, or throwing anything more solid than snowballs at them. The same cannot be said for the actions of ICE.

They made her a tentative offer based on what she told them about her military history. They didn't make her a firm offer because she didn't complete and submit the vetting forms. She was never going to get a job with ICE unless she completed those vetting forms so she never had an actual job offer from DHS/ICE. She never followed through to the vetting stage, didn't get a job and didn't hear from them again.

@DdraigGoch Are you here? I've seen the anti ICE protests and I can tell you they are far from calm.

So you admit that ICE offered her a job despite the vetting forms not even having been submitted?

I know what the standard for police vetting is in the UK (unless of course its the Met), ICE vetting is just as high a standard and if you completely read the article by the reporter you'll know that she was sent the vetting forms but didn't complete and submit them. Half a story, half a brain!

A man goes into a newsagent every day, glances at the front pages and walks back out in disgust. Eventually the shop assistant asks him why he comes in.

"I'm looking for an obituary"
"Obituaries aren't on the front page"
"The one I'm looking for will be"

Bollocks has it been because of messaging from state officials. They've consistently advised protestors to remain peaceful (which the protestors have been). It's the administration who are keen to inflame things.

Trump and his moronic followers have got it in for Walz and send thousands of ICE officers into the state to terrorise the population. Just like in LA, Chicago and Portland. The ICE officers routinely break laws and the constitution, with the encouragement of the regime.

A woman was shot in cold blood by one - in any sane country the response from senior politicians would be "we mustn't jump to conclusions, let the investigation take place etc". But no, here you have the idiot Noem claiming within 15 minutes of the murder that the victim was a "domestic terrorist" and that there's absolutely no investigation necessary.

I'm sure that most Russians are going through life as normal too.

Yank here. This is the most sensible comment on an otherwise daft thread.

I’ve been on MN for ten years and see these hysterical “the U.S. is about to have a civil war” threads at least a few times a year. It hasn’t happened yet. It hasn’t happened in 164 years. It’s not going to happen now.

i think that the misperception comes from Brits who don’t understand American history, culture or civic institutions. I can see how it might look odd from the outside, but lord, you all are quick to jump to wild conclusions.

Such a high standard that a journalist got a job offer despite being openly "anti-ICE" and not bothering to fill in the permission slip for background checks.

But you're just going to take them at their word that they are indeed Grandma with big teeth...

Granted he was an idiot to begin with, so it's difficult to tell that he's getting worse. Plenty of symptoms of frontotemporal dementia though. And clearly he's getting treatment looking at the bruises on his hands.

I think this is the point. “Civil war” will mean something much different to what it has meant in the past.

They are attacking US citizens, green card holders, and those with a visa. No point saying "you'll be let go" if that's only after you are battered and bruised, and several miles (or worse) away.

I listened to a very interesting interview where the political historian said that the US could enter a civil war but this isn’t how we perceive a civil war it would be in court room and between federal and state (much of the civil war was fought in courts)

I do think their are people wanting a civil war with people taking to the streets, both there and around the world people watching on as they like the drama

it won’t happen most Americans are just wanting to get on with their everyday life and life isn’t so bad that the majority need to create such issues for themselves

@marsaline

I didn't realise there was a Preppers forum - thank you for pointing it out!

Okay, that's a helpful suggestion, I'll look into going over there.

I recommend CEX

You can buy all the DVDs you wish for about a quid, including ET.

Anyway, back to the topic of civil war in the US…

But all you're talking about is bloody films. This is really serious. The world could change forever if the US invades Greenland.

Go and start a thread in the prepping topic about storing entertainment for emergency situations. You'll be able to have a more focussed discussion and you'll get some ideas to help you. The whole topic is about Prepping and Resilience planning