Thumbs up for Streeting

I voted for Brexit and would do so again. I’m educated to masters level and work in a high temp professional role.

Perhaps if you spent less time calling us idiots you might have more success in making your case and in a less smug fashion.

Oh do calm down, you are being ridiculous

Two things on Brexit: 1. Deviating from the EU is not in itself a bad thing 2. The establishment have done their level best to not create new policy direction because they are too busy with their heads in the sand lamenting the referendum result. Or put more simply, our political class have forgotten how to govern.

My/our experience is mostly of cardiac crises, over the last 20 years. The first and last under Labour governments, but there have been a few in between, plus I had breast cancer under a Tory government. In an emergency/acute situation, the NHS has never fallen short of spectacularly good.

However, I do think we need to find an affordable middle ground somewhere between everything is available from fertility treatments and cosmetic surgery and nothing is possible except in extreme situations.

The NHS needs a really sensible, kindly triage system for routine ailments. How old are you? Under 45, add a point. With dependent children, up another point. Employed FT? up another point. Rack up 5 points and the patient should be accelerated past a whinging old hypchondriac with money to pay privately.

I write this as a 70 year old in good health with a 70 year old DH who is less well.

the small boats problem has been made exponentially worse by Brexit. As has our economic growth. Remind me whose bright idea that was? And as for “Islamic rule”, give your head a wobble.

@Daygloboo The same idiots who believed Farage over Brexit? Easily persuaded in terms of solutions because they don't really understand the depth of the problem. It’s too easy to come up with slogans like Broken Britain with no real plan about how to improve anything. Reading the news is easy, actually having workable solutions is another matter. Everything is negative negative negative. Now it’s failed Tories who did nothing whilst in power who are somehow the way forward. It’s farcical.

What I do agree with is that the NHS is a behemoth that no other country has. We need a rethink on its size, scope and costs. A slightly shorter waiting list and an ambulance arriving a bit quicker just means fewer strikes have taken hold, better management of ambulances and services. Probably not much to do with political direction - which we need less of!

Not noticed all this, but if you have, then great. 👍👍👍🎉😐

Can you explain how that is worse than Labour continuing to allow the NHS to be used to further the aims of political activists which will end up costing millions if not billions in the long run and will continue to reduce the number of patients that can actually have their health improved by treatment?

Meanwhile Labour making the country more unsafe by refusing to do anything meaningful about the men entering our country on small boats and which we know include criminals and terrorists among their number?

As to naivety, what are your thoughts on the emerging scandal of the police force following instructions of Islamists under threat of armed violence. WMP are not the only police force operating under Islamic rule and parts of the government are clearly desperate to avoid upsetting them. Look at the pressure clearly exerted in the rape gangs scandal, the first cousin marriage issue etc.

If there was another public health issue that caused potentially thousands of babies per year to be born with severe congenital abnormalities, or die early, don’t you think the government would be keen to take action? Why do you think they are reluctant to even criticise it?

Had a cyst treated (very quickly and efficiently!) on the NHS about a month ago. Must have changed in a month eh.

Have you read what happened at broomfield hospital in Essex last night?

34 year old died in waiting room.

No but I’m voting for someone who intends to fundamentally reset the British state and defend our interests abroad. I was more referring to the nhs - it needs to be broken to start again.

You are voting for someone because they will make us less safe globally? Wow.

You misunderstand I think - all those reasons are precisely why I’m voting for him.

I have a funny feeling you wouldnt agree with me!

You seem to be foaming at the mouth quite a bit yourself. I do not support Reform at all but I reject your argument that people who do support them are thick, dont read the news etc. There’s more than one conclusion to draw from facts you know.

I know you are just trying to wind people up and its working

Even if I agree with you, which I don’t, at least SOMEONE is trying to ‘stop the boats’…

What a load of bollox. Whether you agree or disagree with Tory policy, it is nothing like Reform. Reform have one policy which is around immigration. They haven't got a clue on any other subject. Take a look at what's happening in Kent ( where Reform have control). It is an absolute shambles because they don't have a plan other than stopping the boats.

Interesting. This government have made it clear that they are very interested in ‘narrative management’ which isn’t always compatible with the truth. Lucy Powell emphasised it in a now deleted part of her Deputy leadership speech. Why was it deleted? That’s a red flag.

‘Reducing waiting lists’ is obviously carefully chosen language that doesn’t necessarily mean that patients are being seen and treated but implies it.

Their approach seems to be to repeatedly tell us things like they are successfully focusing on growth of the economy and reducing the cost of living when everything they do is achieving the opposite effect.

Telling us that two tier policing is definitely not a thing while it has become apparent that entire police forces are run to the instructions of Islamists. Birmingham is not the only place this is happening.

Out of interest, why shouldn’t Mumsnet users criticise a terrible government?

You might have accidentally missed my question. Any thoughts?

Your responses appear to be part of the problems we face today. Sniping from the sidelines to just try and shut down conversation rather than actually engaging. We might actually be able to get somewhere.