My doctor was late to my appointment because he had been at the local country hotel full of asylum seekers...

My doctor is constantly late because of all the old people that take up all his time, how can we sort this problem?

Please show a policy of any party including labour that suggests building new council homes for asylum seekers?

Do you know what i need to click on to translate it I cant see it Thanks

The asylum seekers in asylum hotels are here legally and are ‘in the system’. The hotels are similar to hostels provided to homeless families, if anything they are worse on average. They are expensive - HMG pays - but this has nothing to do with quality.

I agree completely that housing and healthcare are broken. But that has almost nothing to do with the small number of refugees in the country. Arguably these problems began during the Thatcher years and have been getting worse since, with a great decline during the Tory government of 2010-2024. Of course the pandemic did not help.

No country is a Utopia

They are. About 1 in 5 asylum seekers in the U.K. are female. The others are often in refugee camps near their home countries waiting for men to do the journey, in which women would be at far higher risk of sex trafficking and rape than the men, and then send for them. It’s pretty obvious really.

This is a link to the Stek Oost wikipedia page, which seems to illustrate the sorts of things I think people are fair to be concerned about - the misogyny that asylum seekers may bring with them.

You do know that the people housed in the country hotel that OP speaks about, are not able to work?

Once they’ve been processed, they become the “non British citizens” you speak of.

It's an assumption, I'm afraid. But then living in a different part of the world, asylum seekers tend to have a different experience to those who travel to Britain, I imagine.

You've randomly brought the Australian aboriginal peoples into the conversation, with absolutely no explanation, as though it's somehow relevant.

I'm not blinkered, I'm bewildered.

(Incidentally, I haven't stated any firm personal views on immigration or asylum seekers.)

What world do you live in, in which a person is not affected by the deeply misogynistic culture that they're raised in?

I think women flee because they're being oppressed and persecuted - but that doesn't mean that even many of them might not still hold internally misogynistic views about what's acceptable for women. After all, British women hold internally misogynistic views too (to a much lesser extent).

As for the average man, quite often it's the poverty, the lack of jobs, the unrest, and the religious restrictions that impact negatively upon them too, in addition to perhaps wanting their wives and daughters to have more freedom. But again, they are most likely far more conservative than the average Brit in what they consider a woman's 'proper' role in society to be.

Considering how misogynistic British men can be, despite being raised in a culture where women have equal rights, are you seriously going to try and argue that men from countries where women don't have equal rights aren't going to be steeped in misogyny?

I’m not surprised! Lots of blinkered views. Carry on your day.

There are 515,000 asylum seekers in the UK. Here are some figures that are easily found on google.

Greece serves as a major entry point into Europe for refugees, hosting 214,000 asylum seekers facing challenges like overcrowding in reception centers, limited access to services, and integration barriers, despite legal protections, with ongoing arrivals from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East via the Eastern Mediterranean route.

Italy hosts 300,000 refugees and asylum seekers, primarily arriving via sea routes from Africa and Asia, facing a challenging reception environment with increasing arrivals and stricter policies, though initiatives for resettlement and integration (like humanitarian corridors and employment programs) also exist, with countries like Afghanistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, and Peru being major origin points for applicants in recent years. The country manages a complex system of reception centers, legal procedures, and integration efforts, often in partnership with organizations like the UNHCR, but faces pressure from high numbers of arrivals and policy shifts towards more accelerated processing.

Germany hosts 3.55 million people with protection needs, including refugees and asylum seekers, with significant numbers from Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Syria, facing both integration challenges like poverty risk and success stories in labour market integration and education, supported by government programs and NGOs, though applications have recently fallen to decade lows under tighter policies.

As of 2023, France hosted approximately 664,366 refugees, a figure that increased from previous years, with significant numbers of asylum applicants, particularly from Syria, Afghanistan, and Ukraine in recent times.

Spain hosts a significant number of refugees and asylum seekers, with around 370,000 recorded refugees by early 2024, primarily from Ukraine, Venezuela, Syria, and Mali, alongside a surge in asylum applications, particularly from Latin America, reaching over 163,000 in 2023 and nearly 167,000 in 2024.

So please tell me @scorpiogirly, what makes you think they’re ALL coming to the UK?

Actually it’s not an assumption, it’s plainly obvious!

Well, you know what they say about people who make assumptions.

Assuming that all people or should I say men from those countries hold those views.

Why do you think people flee from Afghanistan and Iran for example?

"But I do think the 'might be deeply misogynistic' is very short sighted."

How is that?

You know this was an experiment where people signed up to voluntary?

What transpried?

What word did I say was racist? The victimhood here is tiring. You throw these stones then you hide your hands and whine lefties are calling you racists!

To be clear, I never said any one word was racist. I can use the word myself quite happily for example :

”the indigenous people of Scotland have a relatively high number of redheads”

And here’s another one “the indigenous peoples of Australia, Canada and the U.S. were brutalised by European settlers”

Neither of these sentences are racist. I am not sure about the accuracy of the first one :)

Anyway as I quite clearly outlined I was saying it would be racist to suggest that white British not getting an appointment is more of a pressing issue than say a British Asian. Not that using the word indigenous is racist in and of itself.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

There are many non white British citizens who came here via the right method and pay into the system who live as British citizens. Embraced the culture. Live by British values and laws. I have no issue with this.

I didn't know the word was racist. Unbelievable.

We are an island. So will never be the first country people reach. So should we take nobody?

Anyway, if you read the accounts, the treatment in some of these places can be appalling. It’s too simplistic to say people should not want to find the most safe and decent place to live. We all want that.

It so easy to comment when you aren’t in that situation yourself.

Anyway, we will all be receiving more people fleeing war, poverty and climate change over the next few decades. The world is a mess.

For those bellowing about how compassionate we should be to large groups of men - in particular those from another culture, what do you think about the Dutch Stellen Oost situation? (I am not equal to links.)

In the spirit of cultural cohesion, female university students were housed in the same apartment block as 125 male migrants. You can imagine what transpired.

I wonder how many posters, hand on heart, would like their 18-year-old daughters to be allocated such housing?

There have been many, many reasons explained upthread. Why do you think those countries should take all of the immigrants and we shouldn’t?
It was also pointed out upthread that, per capita, we are nowhere near the top of the list of countries in terms of the number of immigrants taken in. Why do you think many of them aren’t stopping in other safe countries? They are.

The indigenous people of the county struggle to get a doctor's appointment. Waiting months for delayed life saving operations. @scorpiogirly

Let’s be clear here by “indigenous people” are you referring to white British people? If so this is a great example of why people like you are called racist.

If the issue is white British people struggling to get a doctors appointment an are you saying it’s less important for a British Asian person to struggle with that? A British Asian who might well have paid lots into the system btw - just as much if not more than the white British person.

@GrannyOog Once settled they can always apply to enter this country legally.

They can’t. There is no other way for a person to claim asylum from outside the UK.