My doctor was late to my appointment because he had been at the local country hotel full of asylum seekers...

I haven’t read it all so apologies if I’m repeating.

complaining they don’t work like “all the immigrants you knew did”. They are not allowed to. I work in healthcare I’ve treated many, one man was qualified in something like accounting or law ( can’t remember what but along those lines). He wasn’t allowed to work, there will be many who have valuable skills they just can’t use them.

when I see them their stories of what have happened to them are horrific, utterly shocking and tragic. They end up with awful physical deformities from torture and not being able to access healthcare when they are fleeing. They unsurprisingly usually have ptsd and other mental health issues.
prevention is better than cure, you are complaining people don’t work hard then you are complaining they access healthcare. So would you rather they sit accessing welfare due to ill health if they end up getting granted asylum.

I don’t disagree that the NHS need reform, it is a 1940s system and it’s scope has crept, we are keeping people alive longer with more complex health issues as a result, and everything is very reactive not proactive. However that’s a whole other discussion, and actually i don’t think that’s why to are here, I think you are just using the NHS as a scapegoat for to belittle asylum seekers tbh

The roll out of Jess' law across GPs surgeries lends weight to your last point. The pressure that's on GPs and the implications for patients is a talking point of concern. So long as the debate remains within respectful boundaries, the OP has every right to express her concerns. My second point is not directed at you.

Well yes, obviously 'perhaps' and 'think', because I've never been in that situation! It would depend on a multitude of different factors, and it'd be silly of me to pretend certainty.

I would suggest that the government took on plenty of caseworkers so that their cases were carefully and fairly considered without them being left in limbo in hotels for long periods of time.
On the issue of healthcare, they are human beings, and I don't know about you, but I feel every human being should receive healthcare as required in this humane country.

Do you think the OP would have started a thread if their appointment was delayed because the GP visited a care home instead of an asylum seekers home?

And what are these understandable xenophobic concerns?

Who are you referring to in your personal attack?

Because as you can see from the posts on this thread, the UK is a soft touch.

You're mentioning a concentration camp? I suspect you don't even see the irony in this given situation. The dehumanisation of Jews was on an unprecedented and immeasurable scale.

People are saying would you put a child in a dinghy to make the dangerous journey across the channel. I don’t understand why anyone who had gone through many safe countries including France would choose to put themselves in such a dangerous position, just to get to Britain. I’m sure many other countries offer as many opportunities as we do (and with better weather). Why would you leave your loved ones in a desperate situation when you could all travel together to a closer safe country?.

You used the terms “perhaps” and “think” hardly, yes I would without a second thought. That’s what I was relating too.

You asked a question, "Would you want your husband to take you and your children to an unknown place, where you don’t know how it’s going to be?" and I answered yes to that particular question, framed in that way.

I also feel that I would rather brave a frightening, hard journey with my husband if my children weren't toddlers/babies, than remain behind alone. I'm speaking about my personal feelings, not making a judgement on those who choose differently.

(I'll also never be able to afford to visit Auschwitz. But I don't think that precludes me being well informed.)

Can't think.....😂

Erhmmm “these men” & badly veiled racism… I think you’re getting the replies you deserve

Now what on earth makes you think it’s a Daily Mail type article 🤔

I can't see the original article. Is there one? If it's the Mail, don't bother.

You think? But until you’re in that situation you don’t know. These people have lived this experience and this is what they decided is best. But of course that misconstrued by people who then intimate it’s because they don’t love their children and families like “we” do. They’re bad people only looking after themselves etc.

When in fact they’re just people trying to do their best in an absolutely shit situation.

They’re being dehumanised, if you get the opportunity visit Auschwitz it’ll show you how dehumanising others leads to dreadful awful things.

Perhaps for those with very young children or babies, yes. But older children (5 and up)? I'd prefer to risk it, I think.

I recommend reading first-hand accounts of people’s journeys to the UK from places like Afghanistan. Really brings it to life.

Many are desperate, but also many do not really understand the horrors of the journey they are about to undertake. Like many things, you can convince yourself it will be ok, worth it etc. and then the reality is so different.

I am getting images of big cartoon sacks of medication, but instead of ‘swag’, they say ‘TABLETS FOR ASYLUM SEEKERS’.

They often don’t leave the women at home, they’ll get to a refugee camp where the women and children will stay while waiting to be brought over. They’re still risky places, with rapes and theft but I’m guessing most mothers would rather risk that than trek over mountains for weeks, sleeping out in freezing temperatures then cross the channel in a paddling pool with a 6 month old and two toddlers.

Both, obviously. Or from countries where they’re persecuted for their sexuality, or their religious beliefs or a host of other reasons.

@LittleMi55Nobody so your husband is retired but pays £79 per week NI. Aye right.

If he is over state pension age he is exempt from paying NI if he still works. If he is under state pension age but living off a private pension or savings/investments then he does not pay NI as it is not levied on pensions or savings. If he is "retired", under state pension age but still working and is paid enough to pay nearly £300 month iin NI then he is not exactly retired is he?

Not sure what your point is, as it doesn’t address mine.

Yes. If my country is in a bad enough state that my family want to flee it and seek asylum, then staying put without my husband to be blown up, raped, go through deprivations, or other such things, doesn't sound better than braving the unknown together in order to get to Britain.