To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

And how so you think you will move there? Brexit has scuppered most of those chances

And if I had said millions someone would have said I was over exaggerating and would like exact stats of displaced people 🤷🏻‍♀️

As opposed to denying what's actually happened, like the NHS attack?

Like the Skripal attack?

Sigh.

It's just all so meaningless and predictable. You all follow the same script and repeat the same "facts."

Of course Russia is behind everything wrong with the unimpeachable and beautifully-run UK run by honest to goodness non-thieves who don't just point the finger at the great Eastern bogeyman every time their inadequacies and failures are exposed.

Did you even bother to read up the links? It's happened in Scotland, it's happened elsewhere.

Nathan Gill, former Reform MP in Wales, took bribes from Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87l5nq93wno

There is a LOT of Russian influence in the UK and to pretend there isn't is a lie

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9472/

@TomeletteswithGreggs judging by the replies on this thread, honestly I think that the government should actually be laying out honestly what exactly is going on, more clearly.

Then perhaps the general awareness level of what's happening might rise and you'd get less what can only be called uninformed responses, and more willingness to engage with the concept that 1) Russia is ~not~ too bogged down in Ukraine to consider invading anywhere else 2) we don't have to do anything (such as sending weopons to Ukraine) for Russian to hate us anyway, just for existing 3) the UK economy is not self-sufficient and 'we're alright and don't want to get involved' is pure blindness.

Good grief, the war justification propaganda machine has really done a number on you.

Of course Putin takes a personal interest in local UK government elections. They're absolutely fucking fascinating, when they are allowed to take place.

Good god @ArseInTheCoOpWindow The world is burning and you’re thinking about your tits! 🤣

Are you in the U.K. How much do you think about and worry about this in your daily life?

Oh I am quite aware of those things.
What do you think we should do beyond stockpiling and being cyberaware?
Hard for most of us to up sticks and move to Europe or NZ. Doubt OP will either.

I honestly wonder if less than 1% in the UK haven't buried their heads deep in the sand.

it doesn't matter how old the OP is, what she's saying here is from non-alarmist and increasingly concerned, trained and experienced people.

Have people forgotten the Russian cyber attack on the NHS that led to at least one death at the time and due to missed and messed up appointments, likely more later? and a huge cost? https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2025/01/15/808371.htm

Poland only just averted a mass attack on electrical generation facilities before Christmas.

Russia has been messing in UK politics for decades - proven. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_British_politics and it's only got worse since.

never mind oh, let's see, the Skripal affair where a british person died.

Underwater internet cables are cut as a threat. We are so dependent on the internet now!

The is a campaign to send parcel bombs in Europe ... and people seem to think that none of Putin's hostility will ever affect them. It already has and he hates the UK more not less.

Russian attacks at a low level on the UK are constant, unfortunately. The OP seems to be one of the few on the thread who aren't sticking their heads in the sand.

I have family in Austria and the are worried about the far right movement. Does that concern you?

😆 Same.

Not over-reacting. Or being unreasonable. These are scary times and getting worse. So far my planning has only extended to thinking about buying water purification treatment and a wind up radio.

I moved to Austria and will move my fam there if something happens. It is an awesome place to live -
go and check it out and no you are not overreacting.

I think focusing on nature is a good way to be. Having worse MH doesn’t help anyone.

Your quoted post was not trivialising the possibility of war. Some of us deal with stuff differently.

That’s attitude that many had before lockdown happened. Oh it won’t happen here, not in the uk, not in the west. ha ha!

To trivialise the possibility of a major conflict is not exactly clever, nor is catasrophising it.

Anything is possible.

But maybe not for much longer.

www.aspistrategist.org.au/putting-the-nz-back-into-anzus-why-a-fleeting-reference-means-a-lot/

OP to answer your question, no, I haven't considered moving due to geopolitics.

And whilst I'm not saying a NATO country will be invaded by Putin, I do think the world is more unsteady than it has been for a while geopolitically due to Putins actions, a chaotic Trump, a China whose is facing population collapse soon.

I also think these leaders have a "legacy building" mindset that most others don't have, at least not in the same expansionist way, and they are aging, and NATO has been revealed to be weak.

But none of us know what the future holds. I'm happy that I live in an area that is largely free from natural disasters, extremes of temperatures and has plenty of water and an ability to grow much of its own food if necessary (especially if we didn't eat tropical fruits and veg etc).

I think the government could do a better job managing the resources we have, for example, updating the electricity grid so that the energy generated by wind turbines can be used with minimal waste, address whatever is going on with the water companies so that our waterways are clean.

Pretty sure thats an awful.way to live. WW3 be pretty quick.

@Hoardasurass

I'm a coward. Thing is, I don't think that's a bad thing. If someone is too afraid to do something, that's just the way they are. I don't believe it makes them a bad person.

I think even many cowards have their points at which they might fight. If my home and possessions were at threat, I'd be much more likely to fight. (I watch Home Alone every Christmas and while I don't know if I'd be bold enough to do it, I certainly love the idea of bashing people about who are violating my home, which I consider my sacred space.)

In the unlikely event of Britain being invaded, perhaps I would then be willing to fight in some capacity.

But I honestly can't say that that's a given. I might well be too scared to fight even in those circumstances.

So, I'm a coward, but I'm not ashamed of that, because I don't believe that it's anything to BE ashamed of. Being a coward can often help someone survive for longer, or survive completely. "Look out for number one" is good advice, I feel.

There's a great disco song from the 1970s called 'Young Hearts Run Free'. One of the lines goes "Self-preservation is what's really going on today." That's practically my motto.

New zealand is far removed from ANZUS. 40 years removed from it in fact.

Thousands??? You mean MILLIONS globally

But not so far removed from ANZUS, the Pacific equivalent of NATO.

New Zealand went cold on the alliance in the mid 1980s but has recently endorsed AUKUS’s contribution to regional security and stability.