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To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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Carla786 · 17/01/2026 00:02

I hope that if WW3 happened, I'd be brave enough to stay and fight. I love Britain & I'd hate to leave it or see it invaded by Putin.

However, at the same time I'm wondering about the recent rush of articles suggesting conflict with Russia is inevitable by around 2030 and that civilians need to prepare to be conscripted to fight if NATO is attacked. I'd always thought Britain being land-invaded was fairly unlikely, but being called up to fight in a NATO war widens the options of what might happen.

Countries that are less likely to be involved include Austria, Switzerland, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland. I don't particularly want to move to any of these. If call-ups are likely to be imminent in about 4 years, I don't know..

The country I've always thought I'd move to if I did move is Poland (where I have family ties)- but of course that's far more likely to be involved in a potential war!

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Kittensoft1 · 17/01/2026 05:43

OutTheWayOut · 17/01/2026 00:20

May I ask what food you are using? I am not sure I am offering best selection at the moment.

Also some squirrels live in trees at the back - so I might need to check the feeders!

I know you didn't ask me but Flutter Butter is good. We're overrun with them. We'll be in debtors prison soon as we have to buy so much.

Hufflemuff · 17/01/2026 04:55

MangaKanga · 17/01/2026 04:44

India supplied the biggest volunteer army in WWII. They will be involved. But unlike WWII, we won't have Russia, China or India on our side this time.

That's the problem here.

Yes but India would surely not be involved enough to actually fight on their home front or be invaded?

Hufflemuff · 17/01/2026 04:51

Hufflemuff · 17/01/2026 04:32

Yes we actually have. I work for a large company, in a global role. If WW3 kicked off i would hopefully be able to move my household family to India, USA or even China. Given the choice probably India, as i think application process would be easier and out of the 3 they are less likely to be involved.

Just to add... we wouldn't move just incase. It would be to avoid an actual war happening on our home front or conscription dragging away DH. The choice of India, USA or China is because this is where my companies other large subsidiaries are based- so i could work here and do the same job, for same pay (which would be extremely high vs cost of living in India) etc... it would be moving country semi-temporarily but not starting again from scratch. Could probably apply for a temporary work visa - that kind of thing.

But no
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Not thought about it too much 😂

MangaKanga · 17/01/2026 04:44

Hufflemuff · 17/01/2026 04:32

Yes we actually have. I work for a large company, in a global role. If WW3 kicked off i would hopefully be able to move my household family to India, USA or even China. Given the choice probably India, as i think application process would be easier and out of the 3 they are less likely to be involved.

India supplied the biggest volunteer army in WWII. They will be involved. But unlike WWII, we won't have Russia, China or India on our side this time.

That's the problem here.

MangaKanga · 17/01/2026 04:42

Carla786 · 17/01/2026 01:41

You're missing the point. If Putin attacks a NATO member like Poland or Lithuania, the British Army might well conscript civilians here to fight.

That is far more likely than attacking Britain via land invasion as the main focus.

The way the rest of NATO came to help out England during the Falklands War?

Lmao, how old are you?

Hufflemuff · 17/01/2026 04:32

Yes we actually have. I work for a large company, in a global role. If WW3 kicked off i would hopefully be able to move my household family to India, USA or even China. Given the choice probably India, as i think application process would be easier and out of the 3 they are less likely to be involved.

NotMeAtAll · 17/01/2026 04:28

Hoardasurass · 17/01/2026 02:01

Putting knows that our nuclear bombs are well past their sell by date and unlikely to work, hes the sort of psychopath who would happily allow large swathes of his country and population to be obliterated so long as he can be king of the smoking rubble.
Defending our country involves fighting overseas aswell as on home territory and as a citizen i would do so if necessary.
The question remains are YOU a coward or a citizen?

NATO nuclear weapons are not past their "sell by date" or unlikely to work. Nuclear weapons are very well understood, as is their maintenance. They're not just sitting there decaying.

IridiumSky · 17/01/2026 03:55

Would I or anybody in my family consider running away? No.

Disgusting.

Tezza1 · 17/01/2026 03:54

Stupid though I know I sound, you make me want to drag out and re-read Kingsley Amis's "Russian Hide and Seek".

pollyglot · 17/01/2026 03:41

SouthernNights59 · Today 03:34
You've got some good yields there
😎

Shove a stick in the ground where we are, and you'll get a tree. It's that fertile.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 17/01/2026 03:41

Hoardasurass · 17/01/2026 02:01

Putting knows that our nuclear bombs are well past their sell by date and unlikely to work, hes the sort of psychopath who would happily allow large swathes of his country and population to be obliterated so long as he can be king of the smoking rubble.
Defending our country involves fighting overseas aswell as on home territory and as a citizen i would do so if necessary.
The question remains are YOU a coward or a citizen?

Me? I’m a fucking massive coward, and absolutely fine with that, thanks.

pollyglot · 17/01/2026 03:38

Carla786
On NZ, my concern re that is that it's sinking. How serious is this threat though?

Sinking? Where? The subduction zone? Not in my lifetime. The loonies running the world are far more dangerous than a bit of tectonic plate action.

Carla786 · 17/01/2026 03:35

pollyglot · 17/01/2026 03:31

DH is English, long-term Royal Navy. Very interested in politics and military matters. We moved back to NZ, my homeland, a few years ago, on retirement, and not a day goes by, when he has read and digested the news, that he doesn't say "Thank God we're here and not there. At least in NZ, we can feed ourselves and are self-sufficient in energy." Yes, boringly repetitious, but heartfelt. The predictions for NATO and Europe in general are terrifying.

Unless of course the fat orange barrage balloon wants our beneficent land...there are loads of very rich foreigners hunkering down in the peaceful remote beaches and mountains. Sometimes it's good to be boring and remote.
(image...my garden produce)

Interesting.

On NZ, my concern re that is that it's sinking. How serious is this threat though?

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Teajenny7 · 17/01/2026 03:35

OP, what skills would you bring to the country that you choose to move to?

SouthernNights59 · 17/01/2026 03:34

You've got some good yields there @pollyglot

pollyglot · 17/01/2026 03:33

Oops

To wonder if anyone has or is considering moving to a country that's less likely to be involved if Putin attacks a NATO country. (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)
pollyglot · 17/01/2026 03:31

DH is English, long-term Royal Navy. Very interested in politics and military matters. We moved back to NZ, my homeland, a few years ago, on retirement, and not a day goes by, when he has read and digested the news, that he doesn't say "Thank God we're here and not there. At least in NZ, we can feed ourselves and are self-sufficient in energy." Yes, boringly repetitious, but heartfelt. The predictions for NATO and Europe in general are terrifying.

Unless of course the fat orange barrage balloon wants our beneficent land...there are loads of very rich foreigners hunkering down in the peaceful remote beaches and mountains. Sometimes it's good to be boring and remote.
(image...my garden produce)

NotMeAtAll · 17/01/2026 03:07

Carla786 · 17/01/2026 00:51

Ireland, Switzerland & Austria have all fairly long traditions of neutrality.

Moreover, Switzrlerland is not a NATO member, nor is Austria or Ireland.

Ireland is beginning to take defence seriously, as it could come under threat due to its strategic importance in transatlantic communications.

Sweden and Finland were neutral until the invasion of Ukraine.

Switzerland and Austria relied on their geography to protect them -Austria was regarded as too difficult to maintain by Russia after WWII. Modern warfare might change things.

New Zealand and Australia could be threatened by China if there's a global conflict.

Greenland was always regarded as one of the safest refugees in the world. Look at it now...

Dliplop · 17/01/2026 03:06

I’ve had my plans for almost a year now, thanks Trump! Ideally my parents and kids go to England. My husband and I argue about me going. I probably do. We have meeting points set for our own country and for England. I should update it to teaching my eldest the meet up points. If we don’t evacuate, I resist and he fights in an organized way/if the kids and grandparents are gone then I also join the army or official resistance.

Worst case we give big knives to our youngest and he goes full Reepacheep on the unsuspecting assholes.

Hoardasurass · 17/01/2026 02:43

Carla786 · 17/01/2026 02:36

The state of our nuclear deterrent is definitely worrying, though I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say it wouldn't be of any concern to Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/21/labour-seeks-trident-assurances-after-missile-test-anomaly

Otoh while Putin is definitely extremely evil, I don't think he's a fully crazed megalomaniac. I don't think he plans a full takeover of Europe, more likely a reconstituted Russian empire.

No its not hyperbolic as we haven't upgraded them since trident and that was 1980. They still run on 1980s electronics and computers they still use original floppy discs ffs. They are well beyond obsolete

DarkForces · 17/01/2026 02:39

Hoardasurass · 17/01/2026 02:01

Putting knows that our nuclear bombs are well past their sell by date and unlikely to work, hes the sort of psychopath who would happily allow large swathes of his country and population to be obliterated so long as he can be king of the smoking rubble.
Defending our country involves fighting overseas aswell as on home territory and as a citizen i would do so if necessary.
The question remains are YOU a coward or a citizen?

A coward. Definitely a coward. I'd rather be at the centre of the strike and get it over and done with

Carla786 · 17/01/2026 02:37

Interesting link from France.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/07/31/frances-top-general-says-russia-could-attack-in-five-years

Anyway, I'm signing off now. Will be interested to read any more replies tomorrow. Goodnight all, and thanks for all the replies!

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DarkForces · 17/01/2026 02:37

If they've got down to me on the conscription list we're all doomed.

Carla786 · 17/01/2026 02:36

Hoardasurass · 17/01/2026 02:01

Putting knows that our nuclear bombs are well past their sell by date and unlikely to work, hes the sort of psychopath who would happily allow large swathes of his country and population to be obliterated so long as he can be king of the smoking rubble.
Defending our country involves fighting overseas aswell as on home territory and as a citizen i would do so if necessary.
The question remains are YOU a coward or a citizen?

The state of our nuclear deterrent is definitely worrying, though I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say it wouldn't be of any concern to Putin.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/21/labour-seeks-trident-assurances-after-missile-test-anomaly

Otoh while Putin is definitely extremely evil, I don't think he's a fully crazed megalomaniac. I don't think he plans a full takeover of Europe, more likely a reconstituted Russian empire.

Trident missile test failure raises questions about UK’s nuclear deterrent

Missile embarrassingly plopped into sea at launch attended by Grant Shapps, but MoD says ‘anomaly’ would not happen in a war

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/21/labour-seeks-trident-assurances-after-missile-test-anomaly

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Carla786 · 17/01/2026 02:34

BootMaker · 17/01/2026 02:31

I don't like to say 'I knew it', but I did.

Ah, so, the world is complicated and glorious.

It's never black and white.

I lived in the RoI for five years, it's certainly not 'neutral' they have their own politics that are very aligned with Europe, the US and the UK in many ways.

And if the UK was going to get dragged into a worldwide conflict, Ireland would get dragged in, whether they like it or not.

HOWEVER!! If you are young and want to live somewhere good and independent minded, I'd look at Norway. Great country with the largest sovereign fund in the world, and they use it for good.

Thank you.

I don't really want to leave Britain at all, and I hope I would be brave enough to defend it if need be.

Re Ireland : I have asked MNHQ to change my title as I think it was badly phrased. It's more accurate to say, I was thinking of a country which would be less likely to be directly militarily involved if Russia attacked a NATO country like Lithunania, Poland etc. 'Neutral' and 'WW3' weren't very good descriptors.

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