ICE and your young adult child

If they drive a car I’d recommend they get out of it if asked.

My kids have US citizenship.
I would say ... "carry your passport at all times and if you see an ICE person with access to a gun, presume they are planning to shoot someone"

Poetnojo
"Then just let ICE get on with their jobs in taking dangerous criminals off the streets surely"

But half the people they are manhandling off the streets are not dangerous criminals.

I would tell them to lock down their socials, be careful about what they post and keep any photos that could be used against them off their device. I know someone who went on a work trip and was refused entry back into the US based on what was on their socials. All their belongings are still at their empty house while they are in England wondering if they will ever be able to go home

"Doesn't take much to kick off"
Of course it does, have you not seen all the brutal attacks on ICE agents just out trying to do their job with no retaliation from them?
I think the agitators just assumed they were untouchable while committing felony crimes.

You thought him about morality, so I would assume part of that would be that dangerous criminals should be dealt with properly and not allowed to walk the streets putting innocent people in danger? Then just let ICE get on with their jobs in taking dangerous criminals off the streets surely 🤔
I would also hope you instilled in him to be a law abiding citizen and not become a felon so he should be all good.

Is there anywhere else he could go rather than an area with Ice?
I wouldn't trust any of my kids to not get themselves in trouble.

My son lives out there. He just stays away from trouble and it works well.

I understand your perspective, OP. I have always raised my children to speak out when they see something wrong and stand up for the vulnerable. My DD is very political and will attend protests in UK. She’s currently in the US. Sadly I have said to her that in the US they shoot first and ask questions later so she just needs to keep her head down. She can do more good alive than dead.

@ByCyanMoose do you accept that paid protestors exist at all? I agree it doesn't take much to knock up a sign. But that's not the point.

Fully aware there are dickheads at every protest, also fully aware that ICE over-reach and violence has extended to people who are a) protesting in a lawful and appropriate manner b) trying to take their children to a place of safety c) shopping in a store d) trying to get to a doctor appointment, so yes, you are victim blaming. Also appropriate law enforcement don’t use the level of violence ICE have been using.

No it’s not gaslighting. It’s a refusal to indulge what is frankly one of the more inane conspiracy theories currently espoused by the far right. It relies on the notion that attending a protest and (gasp) making signs requires some vast expenditure of resources by George Soros, Elvis Presley, or some other member of the New World Order.

It also assumes most people need to be paid to oppose an untrained, lawless band of thugs invading their city, people for having the wrong color skin, and crippling the local economy. It’s a lot easier than confronting the obvious truth backed up by every poll since the ICE operation began: the people just don’t want to buy the crap you’re selling anymore. They despise Trump, his stormtroopers, and his cult like band of core supporters.

Democrats are just using this politics ahead of the midterms right? Surely you don't think they give a shit about people? Didn't they do this when Biden won and then reversed all the immigration policies only tor flip back towards the election and ramp up deportations???

No they didn't. The produced a bi-partisan immigration reform bill. Trump explicitly told congress not to vote on it because he intended to run for president on illegal immigration.

Ice agents can certainly detain illegal immigrants. They can't legally detain legal immigrants and US citizens and yet they are doing both.

If it’s his views and desire to protest (rather than yours) then give him advice to stay safe and avoid escalation.

Or her, not sure if you’ve specified

This is the second of this type of comment I've seen recently

Are you suggesting paid protestors don't exist? If you really believe that, then what would you think about other countries who have actually debated the issue in their respective Parliaments? Do you think it only happens in those countries?

There's a petition going on about it here in the UK. I can only think people who make these comments have never been to a protest - which is totally fair, probably most of the population have never been to a protest. But I am puzzled by the remark.

Is it just gaslighting? Like when a "Stand up to Racism" type gets annoyed with me because I don't fit their stereotype of someone with my skin colour?

Because there are groups of far left agitators attacking and impeding ICE agents, as they are opposed to any form of immigration enforcement.

But it how does that make it some kind of gotcha that Obama did it?

seems…. Simplistic

There are many on the far left who oppose any form of immigration control, including deporting illegal inmigrants.

My dd is dual national too, she is considering giving up her us citizenship and is refusing to file taxes. She is aware that she may not then be able to go there for leisure though for work isn’t an issue (complicated)