I know I am being wildly unreasonable about DD’s New York trip but I need people to tell me I am

Loads of different nationalities are passing through USA everyday. Many of my friends on a range of visas. I have been reprimanded twice as a visa holder for not carrying a specific form on me.

As a tourist Esta holder you’ll be fine. You’re not their concern. Regardless of heritages.

I got stopped at immigration under Biden - twice. My 18yr old got stopped nd taken back for additional questions (with Green Card) under Biden. This isn’t a new thing, it’s about it those with visas following the immigration rules. They exists in the UK too.

Just saying!

Wtf?

Are you saying that the OP is wanting to police American politics, can't, and can't handle that she can't and also can't control American politics....and is just telling herself that really she's worried about her child's safety?

I've seen some stretches on MN but this one is next level! I think OP is being ridiculous, but not half as ridiculous as you are!

Just to balance this post - I work in comms logistics and a household name client has just scheduled a 2000 pax internal meeting in NY with a short lead time, and they're extremely risk averse, especially given thats nearly all of their senior leaders in one place.

Is she white?

If so, she will be fine

If she isn't, I totally understand your fears

No its true

Nothing
Its nonsense and virtue signalling

Agreed. I'm also partial to Fascati in Brooklyn Heights and Prince Street Pizza. DH is a Joe's man (overrated IMO).

@CurlewKate Tell your DD to try them all and report back!

How incredibly rude, and not 'kindly' at all.

Best pizza in NYC.

Probably being irrational in the odds of anything happening are vanishingly low. If she's white and travelling on a British passport then she's unlikely to be caught up in any ICE/border issues (that feels so grubby to type out). It's very different going to New York vs more Minneapolis right now (or smaller, less tolerant, redder cities).

Although make sure she's got all the right paperwork in order to avoid having the experience Rebecca Burke did!.

But that said I wouldn't go to the states right now.

Mostly due to ethical reasons - I'm going to get ripped apart for this but their government is increasingly becoming a dictatorship, civil rights and freedom of speech are being trampled on, women's health is being pulled, they're threatening to seize land regardless of sovereignty (Greenland, the Canada threats) etc etc. For me it would be the moral equivalent of going to 1930s Germany for a holiday. 60% of the population either voted for Trump or didn't vote at all (same difference) - I'd always have that at the back of my mind, especially as both myself and DH work in women's healthcare.

I appreciate that she's travelling for work though so doesn't have much of a say. I do have friends who work for companies who have cancelled work trips to the US/moved them elsewhere in the world but the majority of that is due to ethical reasons/uncertainty around the US economy and government interference in academia that means they don't want to do business there, rather than a real concern about personal safety.

If we are at the point where some people think New York is too unsafe to travel to, then perhaps switching off from the news would be beneficial for them

Indeed

JFK handles about 1200 flights and roughly 170,000 passengers a day, and if anyone honestly thinks they're closely examining the social media of all those, then frankly they need help

Yes there'll be some spot checks, but most ICE work is depends on intelligence and tip-offs, so unless she's stupid enough to have joined some "Let's murder Trump" headbanger group they won't be interested

As for being there it's similar to any big city, except IME the people are nicer. Watch out for pickpockets, avoid known problem areas - there's nothing in them to see anyway - and she'll be fine

Do you read the news?

If we are at the point where some people think New York is too unsafe to travel to, then perhaps switching off from the news would be beneficial for them.

Statistically you are incredibly unlikely to be involved in any scenario like this, it’s a country of 350 million people.

The US has its problems but the idea it’s not safe for British visitors is OTT.

Kindly, you tell yourself this is about safety, when in truth it is about control, and your inability to tolerate a world you cannot police. Grow up.

I don't disagree that it's horrifying and worrying (and stomach churningly disgusting), but the administration has a specific vendetta against Minnesota and the president is like a dangerous toddler, so it's kicking off there.

Igniting that kind of unrest in NYC would be a very costly thing to do in a number of ways. There have been some raids, like the one on Canal Street, and I'm sure there are some ongoing ICE operations there, but I really don't think there's any reason to worry too much about NY. The last time ICE showed up in force there, protestors blocked them in a parking garage and then they beat a retreat. 2 people were charged but the charges have been dropped.

It's totally fine.

I'm from NYC, my parents still live there, one of my DC is there, I was there last week. It's completely fine, she'll have a great time. There were some peaceful protests last week, there seem to be some ongoing ones outside the Federal Courthouse downtown, but it doesn't feel threatening at the moment.

The weather is crazily changeable, warmish and rainy to brutally cold, and NYC cold is its own animal.

Tell her to make sure she has a pizza at John's of Bleeker Street.

I don't think it's unreasonable. Things are very weird in the US now. I wouldn't go but then I'm not white.

Weren’t people saying that about Minneapolis a few weeks ago?

Even though I voted YABU because you know yourself you are, the absolute thuggery on the streets of another major city would give me pause for thought as well OP so I don’t blame you for questioning it. But don’t let it get in the way of your DD having a great time!

Yes, yes you are being wildly unreasonable.

I have seen an increase in hysteria on Mumsnet surrounding America recently (Trump, border control, ICE etc), but please engage your brain for a moment here OP.

It’s New York your daughter is visiting, not Mogadishu.

I get where you're coming from, and would feel anxious too if it was my child going to the US.

But I think she should be fine in New York - it's an incredibly international city, huge number of visitors for work or tourism, so she's not going to stick out or get any unwarranted attention for not being American.

The usual caveats apply - avoid any protests, if there is anything kicking off, turn and walk away.

And cashmere socks are a great gift!

My DS recently went to NYC and Washington on a school trip. The only shocking ( to me) thing that happened to him was he hit the fruit bowl in the hotel which is unheard of for him. In his words 'I just couldnt take the millionth donut for breakfast!'

What is supposed to be wrong with NYC? I was there recently, and my best friend lives and works there. I'm not sure what you're afraid of, exactly?

I work in a risk-averse field and colleagues with some passports have stopped work travel to the US for safety reasons, but it‘s considered safe at present for British passport holders, so I wouldn‘t worry in your position.