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To think it’s strange I need a vaccine to meet newborn abroad

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FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 11:26

Going to visit a relative in the US who has a newborn. We’ve all had a to have a vaccine before meeting them - and apparently that’s the standard there. I’ve never heard of this before and wondered are they just being over cautious? We don’t seem to have anything like that here. Are babies in the UK being less protected than in the US?
Just to clarify I’ve had the vaccine and it was tetanus, dyptheria, whooping cough and then we had to have the flu vaccine which we had had anyway.

DemonsandMosquitoes · 16/01/2026 17:41

W0tnow · 16/01/2026 11:27

I think it’s sensible to have whooping cough vaccine when meeting a newborn these days. I would probably request it for close family if I was having a baby. It’s a triple vaccine, right? Hence the inclusion of tetanus and diphtheria?

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You wouldn’t get it on the NHS for this reason. Would have to pay privately as it’s not part of the routine immunisation schedule in the UK for close family.
Fwiw it’s called ‘cocooning’.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/01/2026 16:11

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 12:33

Just to clarify because it seems that a couple of people haven’t read my full post. We got the vaccinations without questioning it. I’m just interested in hearing the background to the request and why it’s not really a thing in the UK.
I am very familiar with both their families, none are anti vaxers.

Fewer antivaxxers here to need to ask in the first place, greater herd immunity so less likely to come into contact with people carrying infection, fewer fans of raw milk, etc, etc.

They are more likely to come across people who are very much against all vaccination there, so they're aware of the risks in a way we aren't - and if they do, they could be bankrupted in the process.

Beenwhereyouareagain · 16/01/2026 14:02

We had to have this vaccine before each of our grandchildren were born. I had no problem with that. Whooping cough can be a killer, especially for an infant.

Coffeeishot · 16/01/2026 12:51

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 11:26

Going to visit a relative in the US who has a newborn. We’ve all had a to have a vaccine before meeting them - and apparently that’s the standard there. I’ve never heard of this before and wondered are they just being over cautious? We don’t seem to have anything like that here. Are babies in the UK being less protected than in the US?
Just to clarify I’ve had the vaccine and it was tetanus, dyptheria, whooping cough and then we had to have the flu vaccine which we had had anyway.

Vaccines are expensive in the US not everybodies insurance will cover it so adults can be unvacinated, we are privilaged we have free vaccines so obviously you were covered , the new parents were trying to protect their newborn.

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 12:47

ChaosDreamV2 · 16/01/2026 12:45

If mum has had whooping cough vaccine baby should be protected by maternal antibodies.

Yes she had it during pregnancy.

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ChaosDreamV2 · 16/01/2026 12:45

If mum has had whooping cough vaccine baby should be protected by maternal antibodies.

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 12:33

Just to clarify because it seems that a couple of people haven’t read my full post. We got the vaccinations without questioning it. I’m just interested in hearing the background to the request and why it’s not really a thing in the UK.
I am very familiar with both their families, none are anti vaxers.

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saraclara · 16/01/2026 12:27

Anti-Vax is much bigger a thing in the US, so parents of babies can't rely on the herd immunity that we are fortunate to have here.
And of course these particular parents might have very anti-Vax family members or friends, so they could be using this blanket request to keep them away from their newborn.

dairydebris · 16/01/2026 12:23

* internal eye roll, and respect parents wishes *

pikkumyy77 · 16/01/2026 12:22

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 11:26

Going to visit a relative in the US who has a newborn. We’ve all had a to have a vaccine before meeting them - and apparently that’s the standard there. I’ve never heard of this before and wondered are they just being over cautious? We don’t seem to have anything like that here. Are babies in the UK being less protected than in the US?
Just to clarify I’ve had the vaccine and it was tetanus, dyptheria, whooping cough and then we had to have the flu vaccine which we had had anyway.

Children die of whooping cough—they are too young to get the vaccine and do the adults need to get it. There have been whooping cough epidemics lately. So yes, you need to get it. But fear not! Under the rule of terror we now have in the US they are rapidly eliminating vaccines so children and adults can now get measles and whooping cough and HPV and a wide variety of illnesses and deaths quite freely.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/01/2026 12:15

Sensible parents, there.

Apart from filtering out people who are antivaxxers, the expense of hospital treatment for a newborn with polio, diptheria, whooping cough or influenza would be immense - and flying to the US would potentially put all travellers at risk of contact with people from locations where vaccination is not anywhere near as common.

Hedgehogbrown · 16/01/2026 12:12

Its the same in Australia. Expectant Mothers are given the vaccine also, but their policy must be based on different research as they seem to think anyone meeting the baby should have it also. The NHS guidance is that the booster passes immunity into the baby, so I'm not sure why others would need it. Or maybe it's just a cost saving thing from the NHS as they need stricter criteria before offering things for free, and Brits aren't likely to pay for vaccines.

CremeEggThief · 16/01/2026 12:11

What is strange about it?
Different countries have different rules!

TheSandgroper · 16/01/2026 12:10

Are you talking whooping cough?

In Australia, it’s in the childhood vaccine schedule but there are recommendations now that parents, grandparents and others planning to be in close contact with a newborn (too young for the vaccine) get themselves a booster. I don’t know whether we have to pay for it or not as future grandparents.

https://www.unicef.org.au/stories/light-for-riley?srsltid=AfmBOoqS9Iqk1rvJbYQUZDHfCMLQPkGamKvrZipY3kgixG_M8ZRxxJsE

See the link in this https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-14/parents-share-video-of-baby-rileys-final-moments/7087434 for a 30 day old baby who did not survive whooping cough.

The loss of a child from whooping cough

This is a mother's powerfully honest story of love, loss and action for children. Her son Riley passed away only 32 days old from whooping cough.

https://www.unicef.org.au/stories/light-for-riley?srsltid=AfmBOoqS9Iqk1rvJbYQUZDHfCMLQPkGamKvrZipY3kgixG_M8ZRxxJsE

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 12:08

Thanks for all the replies, really good to get some insight into it.

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YankSplaining · 16/01/2026 11:49

BertieBotts · 16/01/2026 11:43

Huh? I don't think this is true - I think the UK immunisation schedule is less comprehensive than the US.

For example chicken pox vaccine has only just been started in the UK whereas it's been standard in the US for decades. They also tend to still get covid vaccines and flu vaccines whereas in the UK these are only offered to elderly/high risk, (plus the flumist spray in schools, which admittedly isn't routine elsewhere) and routine boosters for DTAP aren't done after age 14, only in pregnancy or after an injury. NHS used to say if you'd had 5x DTAP in your life, you did't need any more whereas the US doesn't have that recommendation. (Not sure if NHS recommendation is still the same).

As an American, I didn’t realize the chicken pox vaccine wasn’t a routine one in the UK until I saw people on Mumsnet talking about it. The last time I personally knew a kid who got chicken pox was in the late ‘90s.

YankSplaining · 16/01/2026 11:44

American here, and that’s not “the standard” in the US. It’s not unheard-of, but the vast majority of American parents aren’t telling people they need to get a vaccine before they’re allowed to meet a newborn baby.

BertieBotts · 16/01/2026 11:43

Purlant · 16/01/2026 11:34

As a while, the UK has a much more comprehensive programme of immunisations. The US government is calling back their immunisations and many more people are unvaccinated than the UK. I think you’ve been very sensible in protecting yourself!!

Huh? I don't think this is true - I think the UK immunisation schedule is less comprehensive than the US.

For example chicken pox vaccine has only just been started in the UK whereas it's been standard in the US for decades. They also tend to still get covid vaccines and flu vaccines whereas in the UK these are only offered to elderly/high risk, (plus the flumist spray in schools, which admittedly isn't routine elsewhere) and routine boosters for DTAP aren't done after age 14, only in pregnancy or after an injury. NHS used to say if you'd had 5x DTAP in your life, you did't need any more whereas the US doesn't have that recommendation. (Not sure if NHS recommendation is still the same).

Xiaoxiong · 16/01/2026 11:41

There’s a huge whooping cough outbreak in the USA right now, so it’s harder for parents to rely on herd immunity for their newborns who are not yet old enough to have completed the full vaccination programme. I think they’re being very sensible.

Here in the UK, vaccination rates are much higher so herd immunity can be relied upon more confidently when meeting a newborn. (Eg even if someone who is unvaccinated is meeting a newborn, because most people are vaccinated, it's very unlikely that the unvaccinated person will have encountered someone else in the community who is also infected and then pass it along to the baby).

https://www.vaccineadvisor.com/news/whooping-cough-surges-nationwide-as-vaccinations-fall/

Whooping Cough Surges Nationwide as Vaccinations Fall

Health officials evaluated pertussis rates in the United States following outbreaks of the disease across the country.

https://www.vaccineadvisor.com/news/whooping-cough-surges-nationwide-as-vaccinations-fall/

Meadowfinch · 16/01/2026 11:40

FlowerPowerM · 16/01/2026 11:30

No it’s not to do with the visa, it’s at the request of the parents. I had a baby not that long ago but no one ever mentioned vaccines for visitors. I never would have thought of it. I guess I would have been covered for the whooping cough from pregnancy. Yes triple vaccine all together.

Almost every adult in the UK is covered by their childhood inoculations, so not a big thing for parents to worry about here in the UK.

Perhaps in the US fewer people received childhood vaccines, so % protection is less.

BertieBotts · 16/01/2026 11:40

It seems to be a social media thing rather than an actual medical recommendation, although the CDC do recommend that adults visiting a newborn (under 2 months) should be "up to date" on vaccinations, and the US and UK recommendations are different.

Getting a DTAP booster will also protect you against tetanus for the next 10 years, so if you haven't had a recent tetanus jab, it's no bad thing from that perspective. The US recommends a booster every 10 years whereas the UK only do this if you're at especially high risk, e.g. gardeners, or after an injury which breaks the skin, and they offer a new DTAP booster in pregnancy because receiving one in the third trimester transfers protection to the baby when they are born (this is separate to whether you have had one generally in the last 10 years).

Flu vaccine makes sense too considering this flu season is especially brutal.

I think because the antivax movement is especially strong in the US and because sick leave tends not to be as easily available, a lot of people feel very strongly pro-vaccination in a way that tends not to be present in the UK/Europe.

RottenBanana · 16/01/2026 11:38

Adults are meant to get boosters every 10 years but it seems like this is one of the things that the NHS has cut back on. It seems like a sensible request from the parents if they are concerned that either you or others are not fully and recently vaccinated until the baby is fully protected.

LauraHopkins · 16/01/2026 11:36

The NHS recommends a whooping cough vaccine for pregnant women in the UK as the immunity it provides passes to the baby through the placenta and provides protection to the newborn until they have their own whooping cough vaccine at 8 weeks old. Not sure there’s enough tetanus and diphtheria going round to be much of a concern from infectious visitors.

Orangemintcream · 16/01/2026 11:35

Surely you were already up to date with those anyway ? Possibly not the flu vaccine but the others ?

Purlant · 16/01/2026 11:34

As a while, the UK has a much more comprehensive programme of immunisations. The US government is calling back their immunisations and many more people are unvaccinated than the UK. I think you’ve been very sensible in protecting yourself!!

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