To ask when Reform supporters will

Oh here we go…. 🙄

My DH is Muslim and brown, my son is mixed race and disabled. I’m more likely to be the Queen Mother posting from the afterlife than a Reform supporter.

But I still think suspending elections is always a fucking terrible idea. Particularly when you’re massively unpopular, being accused of authoritarianism and trying not to embolden the far right any further.

He did and terrifyingly he nearly managed to achieve his ambitions.

Your level of arrogance is astonishing. I’m not getting into this with you but you have no evidence to support this statement. I agree our exit has been appalling and the promised vision has not materialised, but is that misunderstanding or government incompetence? ( with a pandemic for good measure)!

It’s attitudes like yours that will see us having a reform government.

But the point is it may not ‘be better’ due to these actions showing the leader in a less than illustrious light, but more importantly as less than competent or thoughtful when just £98 is there for grabs.
There are plenty of other right wing parties anyway - UKIP are still around, Advance is new and I expect there are more.
And let’s not forget the Tories - yes, it’s generally accepted they made a mess, but what in Farage makes you think his party won’t? I think this very video shows the dangers of expecting competence myself or better than Tories - which is the question basically, would this put you off?

So did Hiltler's.

I’m not a fan of Badenoch but suggesting she’s not British is somewhat racist. Reported.

I think Reform are losing support tbh. I would vote for them but I am even less likely to vote for that slimeball Starmer.

I just want Labour out.

And Reform are…what? No experience. Their councils are shit shows. They are full of failed Tories and their leader is a lying grifter. Great.

Your last sentence is utter nonsense. It suggests you are one of those supporting Reform as they are the ones pushing that particular nonsense.

Because the LibDems are a nothingburger and Greens care more about pronouns than the environment. You really do not understand what is going on if you think these are somehow viable alternatives

Labour is just lousy with its messaging.

The Tories salted the earth for the incoming Labour Govt - they kicked the issue of RAK (?) concrete in schools down the road because they didn't want to fork out for it, they wanted the Lab Govt to pick up the tab.

There are other such instances, I think.

But Labour is wrong if it thinks that being more competent and less corrupt is enough to inspire the electorate - Reform has hardly any policies but has it's one big thing - cut the immigrant numbers - and voters can visualise that happening, imagining it's easy to achieve, I don't know it is.

If you don't have some 'project' or 'vision' that is identifiable, it's easy to get waylaid by negative reaction to your policies, on pubs and farmers and so on. Which really, Labour should have anticipated anyway.

Incremental improvements across the board don't win elections imo.

I agree, but I don't know what will work. He is openly, for example, saying he would fundamentally change/get rid of the NHS and people who's lives will be turned upside down by that decision, because they will have so much less money after paying for insurance or because they won't be able to afford it and will risk watching a loved one die, are suddenly saying it's a sensible idea.

I don't understand how to talk about politics any more.

Farage is appalling to anyone who is not hard-of-thinking, but you’re missing the point. There is a groundswell of increasingly furious people who wouldn’t give a fuck if he was frogmarching around Clacton on Sea in jackboots. He is the “fuck the lot of you” candidate and the “it couldn’t get any worse” candidate, and will get plenty of votes on that basis alone.

It gives me no pleasure to admit this, although I do understand the “a plague on both your houses” feeling. There is nobody in UK politics who deserves my vote, and Labour’s current tactics suggest that I won’t even have one for much longer.

Many, possibly most, people on that thread aren’t Starmer (or even Labour) supporters. It’s not bullying to give your opinion on an opinion board.

To address your question re recording a birthday message. No I don’t think most reform supporters will change their minds. Firstly they will believe he’s been tricked and set up. Also, it’s more about the policies not the personalities, ( obviously they have zero chance of delivering most of the polices but they will water down nearer the time). Finally, the orange one is a sex offender amongst other things but it hasn’t stopped him being voted in twice! It beggars belief but here we are.

What welcoming posters on this topic. I wonder why reform voters don't want a discussion with you all.

Ah - makes sense - the British reaction.
I’ve always said that Farage runs home after his ‘events with the common people’ to wash the taste of beer off with a G&T and the taste of fags out with cigars. And then sits there laughing to himself at how stupid his followers are.
Someone told me Trump once said he likes stupid people and the country needs more of them - I expect Farage thinks the same.

except Leave voters didn’t understand, did they? Remain were correct about the result of Brexit. Are we supposed to ignore it when people are wrong?

When a better right wing option presents itself, people don't exactly have a choice in this so called democracy

It's just goading. The OP has advertised this thread on another thread for Keir Starmer supporters. They will bully any reform voters who post on this one.

Starmer Mk1 is fine by me. Not perfect. I’d like more radical policies. But better than any of the other alternatives (and in any case in post for the rest of the Parliament).

No I think the point is that we can dismiss reform voter as stupid, racist, uneducated etc etc, which was EXACTLY what happened during the Brexit campaign. I remember seeing messages about how leavers didn’t ’understand’ and everyone interviewed was always short of a few brain cells.

We need to learn from this. We need to listen and not assume they’re all a bit thick. Because if we don’t we’re heading towards a reform government. See how they are recruiting those with cabinet experience- they’re getting ready for government.