To be so scared and horrified about ICE?

No, it’s not. Don’t use such passive language, they either crossed the border illegally or overstayed their visa.

‘Alien’ is a legal term, has a precise meaning in immigration law. Undocumented is the euphemism, and it’s so misleading because the lack of paperwork isn’t often the issue—it is the lack of authorization.

We already have ICE. We call it Border Force

My son lives in America, so I worry, but unless you live out there what on earth are you worried about?

Starmer's an idiot, but I can’t see him sending in the boys. 🙄

What?! For a lot of people it is a matter of (extensive) paperwork.

you do understand that language is a choice and undocumented immigrants / migrants is their legal status but illegal aliens was specially chosen by certain politicians and organisations to dehumanise people.

Do you feel the same about using words like slaves and negroes that at one point was US government language. No I doubt it.

See I see this line a lot about 'you can't just want to stop/ ban something because you don't like it'

It's not just people 'don't like it,' it's not just 'offense'. People are being harmed. The government of a supposed democracy is sending violent, unaccountable, lawless men to occupy cities run by their political opponents and to harrass minority groups and attack anyone trying to protect them.

The government has sent men with no criminal convictions to a what amounts to a torture facility in another country and although they have been released from there now, continues to harrass a make up charges against at least one of them.

And if they can behave in this way towards one group of people, in a way that is illegal and unconstitutional, they can do it to anyone. They can declare (as they have started to on paper) political opponents and peaceful campaigners to be extremists and agitators . They can arrest people for criticising the government.

I hope I'm wrong but the events of the last week make it clear that this is not and never has been about 'illegal immigrants and criminals', it's about instilling fear of the government into all who they see as opposing them.

So no, I don't like that, but I don't want to see something done because I don't like it. It doesn't even affect me, but it's profoundly harmful and it's no exaggeration to say many more will be killed, hurt or traumatised before this is all over.

I think that ship sailed some time ago tbh. It’s probably on its way back by now.

ICE funding is one thing. ICE actions are another.

We are way past the point where you can credibly use this argument that fascism is a meaningless label to denote disagreement. If you can't see it yet, I wonder what it will take.

This is what they are called. I’m not going to use euphemisms like ‘the undocumented’ which implies that it’s only a matter of paperwork

Meanwhile the USA is now fascist, with clear disregard for domestic and international law

ICE funding was passed by Congress. It was actually a democratic process. You can’t just call shit you don’t like ‘fascist’

I'm horrified but unsurprised about Iran unelected and undemocratic government behavior as they have form for such behavior.

US is supposed to be a democracy and follow the rules of law internally and externally. There a pattern of them not doing so but they never been so blanant about it - or not in recent years or so public about it.

Irain is poltically and economically isolated - it's impact with internal disputes is limited to it's regional area mostly- US looks more and more like it's on the path to civil war or democracy being overthrown - ecnomically and poltcially that impact would be massive and impact the world economy.

Amercian trade and international behavior is causing supply chains to long term change and for statergies to evolve around defence and alliances - it's causing ripples round the world. If internally they start to fail it can impact other countries behavior even more.

he has is vocal in his support for the Israeli genocide

Have you got any sources for this claim?

No, it’s one person making one thread about one worrying thing. Doesn’t mean nobody on the thread is also outraged about the other things, just that at the moment we are discussing this thing. You’re like the teenagers I used to teach - if you told one to stop talking they would immediately say ‘but x is talking too’. Yes. But I can’t speak to two people simultaneously and I’ve started with you.

It's selective outrage .

Selective outrage.

I think China will wait till there chip factories can compete with Taiwan's and apparently they may be eyeing up Russian land that used to be their's and has resocures like water they need - so they may wait till Russia looks really weak and take that land first.

China looks strong - they forsaw Trump amercian attitude towards them and planned - while Europe and Canada are pivoting madly. Not so sure about the Russain sarellite states - they've stumbled badly with Ukraine the gains they have got have cost them dearly and put many bordering countries on defensive.

The world order is changing though - and amercia going under economically would have wide impacts for everyone.

Why do you choose to use such dehumanising language to describe people?

If you are worried now, you may feel worse when China invades Taiwan, North Korea attacks South Korea and Russia rolls up more "satellite" states.

How is it ridiculous? It's not as if no one is saying this!

Because you are blatantly propagating the hard right orthodoxy talking points, the conspiracy and culture war issues. It's just tedious and so transparent!

Sadly, we now have to amend our expectations.

Look at your gleeful, laughing, emoji-strewn post. Do you laugh and rub your hands together with delight at the thought of families being torn from their homes in the dead of night and imprisoned in detention centres? How about the new centres being built for BABIES and small children? Are you overjoyed about that too? Are you punching the air and shouting “Hell yeah!” when another brown person, who’s paid taxes and has a family and children that are in the same class as your own children, is deported back to an unsafe country and possibly executed for their beliefs? Did you laugh when that unarmed woman was shot 3 times in the face? Do you think you are a good person?

Wow
I didn't vote Labour and I dont think i ever would but you've swallowed lots of b.s. here

I worry about immigration to this country. But the last thing I would want is anything like what’s happening in America right now. I hope that labour takes people’s genuine concerns seriously and we don’t end up with reform from people’s frustration