Just been abused on the school run.. parking!

The point is that when a driveway is built, it often means that a new parking space is added to a private capacity - which sounds good, until you realise one space was taken from the public capacity (because the car can't stand over the dropped kerb area) to enable it.

So allowing a new driveway means that a private individual is getting a privileged use of that public space essentially for free (or a small admin fee). Is it fair? Is it reasonable?

I like the idea that you should be allowed to park over the dropped kerb when there is no car in the driveway (you have the same right to theat public space as they do), but not when there is a car in (because they were there first and are essentially occupying the dropped kerb space anyway, just slightly differently)

The point is that when a driveway is built, it often means that a new parking space is added to a private capacity - which sounds good, until you realise one space was taken from the public capacity (because the car can't stand over the dropped kerb area) to enable it.

So allowing a new driveway means that a private individual is getting a privileged use of that public space essentially for free (or a small admin fee). Is it fair? Is it reasonable?

I like the idea that you should be allowed to park over the dropped kerb when there is no car in the driveway (you have the same right to theat public space as they do), but not when there is a car in (because they were there first and are essentially occupying the dropped kerb space anyway, just slightly differently)

The point is that when a driveway is built, it often means that a new parking space is added to a private capacity - which sounds good, until you realise one space was taken from the public capacity (because the car can't stand over the dropped kerb area) to enable it.

So allowing a new driveway means that a private individual is getting a privileged use of that public space essentially for free (or a small admin fee). Is it fair? Is it reasonable?

I like the idea that you should be allowed to park over the dropped kerb when there is no car in the driveway (you have the same right to theat public space as they do), but not when there is a car in (because they were there first and are essentially occupying the dropped kerb space anyway, just slightly differently)

It’s gone over my head because you’re talking nonsense. The law isn’t ever going to change to allow people to park over dropped curbs because dropped curbs are there to allow access for a car to get into a car park or a driveway or somewhere else! You can’t just block the entrance of a car park by allowing people to park across the entrance to a car park or driveway because the curb is dropped and you don’t agree with the law. Absolute batshit and I’m not arguing with you over it because there’s no sense in what you’re saying! Dropped curbs are there to allow access to certain spaces. That’s why they exist. You can’t allow people to park on a dropped curb because you’d be blocking the access to whatever the dropped curb is allowing access to 🙄

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Also dropped kerbs are very useful for people in wheelchairs

It’s gone over my head because you’re talking nonsense. The law isn’t ever going to change to allow people to park over dropped curbs because dropped curbs are there to allow access for a car to get into a car park or a driveway or somewhere else! You can’t just block the entrance of a car park by allowing people to park across the entrance to a car park or driveway because the curb is dropped and you don’t agree with the law. Absolute batshit and I’m not arguing with you over it because there’s no sense in what you’re saying! Dropped curbs are there to allow access to certain spaces. That’s why they exist. You can’t allow people to park on a dropped curb because you’d be blocking the access to whatever the dropped curb is allowing access to 🙄

It’s gone over my head because you’re talking nonsense. The law isn’t ever going to change to allow people to park over dropped curbs because dropped curbs are there to allow access for a car to get into a car park or a driveway or somewhere else! You can’t just block the entrance of a car park by allowing people to park across the entrance to a car park or driveway because the curb is dropped and you don’t agree with the law. Absolute batshit and I’m not arguing with you over it because there’s no sense in what you’re saying! Dropped curbs are there to allow access to certain spaces. That’s why they exist. You can’t allow people to park on a dropped curb because you’d be blocking the access to whatever the dropped curb is allowing access to 🙄

The Highway Code - Using the road (159 to 203) - Guidance - GOV.UK

Rule 201
Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can.

Yes. I understand what a dropped kerb is and why it’s used.

What I said seems to have gone over your head.

We all pay for roads and their upkeep. We all have the same rights when driving on the roads. We all have the same rights to park on roads (subject to zoning, or disabled bays or other properly reserved spaces). I think it’s wrong that some households can deny parking to all others just for their own convenience.

And there’s inherent risk in driving a car across a pavement.

I hope that makes things clearer.

There are many, many people who reverse off their driveway. If that’s the case then reversing from the road onto a pavement and into your driveway is also extremely risky. I’m not here to argue the ins and outs about reversing, I’m saying that regardless of whether you’re reversing off a drive or pulling forwards off your drive, a car parked right over the dropped curb on your front is an obstruction to your view when trying to get off a driveway safely

A dropped curb is to allow ease of a car to go across a pavement to access a space such as a driveway or a car park or some other parking area. It would damage a car’s bumpers if you had them drive over a curb that had not been lowered! Jesus wept!

Dopped curbs exist for a very valid reason. Get over it, the law is never going to change just because you have some batshit idea popped in your head. Use your common sense and understand why dropped curbs are in existence rather than trying to argue about nothing that makes any real sense. It is NOT a misuse of public roads, you cannot drive a car over a high curb, it would damage the car for a start! Hence why curbs are dropped in certain areas such as a cross driveways! Get a grip!

i thought you weren't meant to reverse onto the highway. you're meant to reverse into your driveway, and come back out forwards, for the very reason that reversing makes it more likely to injure someone.

Recipe for disaster when some twat is parked so close to your drive that you can’t see the children when backing out.

Hmm. I think the basic part of “public road” has gone missing with you.

I realise that there are dropped kerbs in front of drives. I regret that because I think it’s a misuse of public roads. A dropped kerb means that nobody can park there. Even if the householder never uses it. On a public road I think that’s wrong. Roads should have as much parking as possible.

Where I live there’s a nearby road with big-fronted houses that was always possible to park in. The council wouldn’t allow dropped kerbs there. Then they started allowing them. There are now very few parking spaces on that public road. The parking is now ten times worse in the area.

I appreciate it’s very unlikely ever to happen, but one solution would be to allow parking across dropped kerbs. People with drives would then no doubt park across the kerb themselves and when they’re not there another car could use the space. The house owner could still use the drive if the parking is light enough to be confident you can get out. And they could still store their car in the drive when the kerb’s free to go in, like if you’re away on holiday.

Where there are particular issues with on-street parking availability for residents, councils can use controlled zones.

And there’s always the issue of cars crossing pavements.

You sound an absolute recipe for disaster!

“The house owner would have to use the dropped kerb only when it was free and available to go in or out.”

So how do they get in and out of their drive if someone is parked across their driveway which has a dropped curb? You do realise all driveways have a dropped curb in front of them don’t you? In fact you do realise the reason dropped curbs are in existence is so that cars are able to get in and out of spaces? So in order to allow the home owner to get in and out you wouldn’t be able to change the law to allow people to park on dropped curbs duh!

Im sorry but you sound batshit and you don’t seem to have a clue what you’re talking about.

Yes. I do understand that you get a penalty for parking across any part of a dropped kerb. That’s why I’d change the law to allow it. That way parking spaces wouldn’t be denied to other drivers on a public road, 24/7. The house owner would have to use the dropped kerb only when it was free and available to go in or out.

Anyway, that is the law. But you seem to think that people should also give up parking space that’s too near a dropped kerb, to allow the house owner visibility. That’s not enforcement of a legal right. It’s just entitlement.

The risks to people walking on pavements by cars driving across the pavement is another problem created by dropped kerbs.

It’s really not difficult to understand.

Yes. I do understand that you get a penalty for parking across any part of a dropped kerb. That’s why I’d change the law to allow it. That way parking spaces wouldn’t be denied to other drivers on a public road, 24/7. The house owner would have to use the dropped kerb only when it was free and available to go in or out.

Anyway, that is the law. But you seem to think that people should also give up parking space that’s too near a dropped kerb, to allow the house owner visibility. That’s not enforcement of a legal right. It’s just entitlement.

The risks to people walking on pavements by cars driving across the pavement is another problem created by dropped kerbs.

It’s really not difficult to understand.

You are blocking the driveway.

How would someone get out if someone else had parked exactly the same as you?

How could they safely get in and out Without risking kocking over pedestrians.

Flip the question for a moment... if someone wanted to park on that driveway and pretended your car wasn't there, could they park without hitting you?

What's on the other side? Are they having to navigate off the drive, turn into oncoming traffic or near a corner?

Terrible parking on you part. Shameful.

Not excusing the abuse but take responsibility for being a responsible driver. Its unsafe.

What are you talking about? It’s illegal to park across a dropped curb and it’s a fucking nightmare trying to back out of a drive when someone has the back end of their car obstructing part of your front as well as being dangerous as you can’t see past their car to get off your drive and onto the road safely. it causes accidents!

And what’s driving across a pavement got to do with anything?

I'd be taking it on my way out so no-one would see to complain, lol.. i leave about 8.40 to take DS to SEN college, and have to run the gauntlet of the morning school madness as their gates open at 8:45. I have to have my eyes open as my field of view is obstructed by cars parked up to the drop kerb either side, and i run the risk of small children popping out from behind the wall/hedge either side of the drive with little notice.

it’s a fucking nightmare trying to back out of a drive when someone has the back end of their car obstructing part of your front as well as being dangerous as you can’t see past their car to get off your drive and onto the road safely

Even more so when someone is parked in a similar manner at the opposite side of a narrow road.