West Midlands Police Chief Constable Should beSacked......

None of that is relevant here.

The Dutch police and Holland's mayor have made it perfectly clear that the West Midlands Police have lied about this incident to back up their own bias, including twisting their portrayal of violent acts against Maccabi fans to suggest that the locals were the victims, rather than the aggressors (despite the incidents being caught on video). It is hugely embarassing to have foreign politicians and police writing formal, public declarations saying our own police are liars.

The majority of the violence was found to have been targetted towards the Maccabi fans from the local community, with attacks planned in advance of the fans arrival.

No one is saying that being Jewish allows you to be violent, that's a vile comment. They're saying that you should not be held to a greater or lesser standard based on your ethnicity, something which WMP have failed to apply both to their own community and the visiting fans.

There's clearly a lot of people commenting who don't understand football hooligan culture or the details of what happened in Amsterdam or the relevance of the name Maccabi

The claim that 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are linked to the IDF is also ridiculous without context. Israel has compulsory national service and most serve in the IDF. Most people over the age of 20 will there for be in or have links to the IDF whatever football team they support. I can't see anyone picking up on the fact that many supporters of other teams with a noted history of awful chants and hooligan behaviour will also have links to the military (Greece and Turkey within European games).

Many football teams in Israel use the name Maccabi in their name. It's a biblical reference t and a bit like being having City or United in a team name in England. Which is why people here have managed to confuse two different teams.

Vile chants, assaults are unfortunately part of football for many supporters clubs. It is a known issue and has been since the 70s including many English clubs. The chants about Hillsborough, the behaviour of groups like the Intercity Firm, Chelsea Headhunters and Millwall Bushwhackers. Italy has huge levels of violence between teams as does Greece and Turkey. It's not an Israeli issue, it's a male football fan issue (not all male football fans). That's why banning orders are issued. It's even worse in South and Central America.
I don't personally give a shit about football but did my dissertation on football linked violence

It's quite clear that a community is running the show in politics and law. That was the plan and Labour have paved the way for it, all for the votes. Good job they've no chance of seeing another term in.

But what really did happen in Holland?

It certainly now appears that the version of events being circulated by WMP and in parts of the media in the days prior to the ban being announced was a load of crock, and perhaps was almost as much a work of fiction as the West Ham fixture.

but he is the head and that is where the buck stops.
That is why he gets paid the big bucks.

I agree. What happened in Holland alone was reason to ban them.
However, lying to justify the decision is NOT OK.

I suspect the sectarianism is in other cities also. Agree it needs addressing.

I don't suppose the CC himself was doing the googling. The question is how far he was responsible for the environment where that happened. Was the person who did it on a frolic of their own or was it made clear that reasons were to be found to back up a decision already made?

I agree that the police had difficult decisions to make as there was a genuine threat of violence (from extremist Birmingham residents).

The problem was they blamed the ban on the violence of the Maccabi fans rather than admit that locals in Birmingham were the ones threatening violence against the Maccabi fans.

I don’t know - this is just the start of bad A.I. info -I doubt the CC himself sat at his laptop doing a google search. Someone would be allotted the task of researching info on the teams and produced this - you’d assume they’d done proper research but hadn’t.

During marches in London I think I remember pro Israeli marchers being cordoned off, advised to stay away from huge pro Palestinian marches. It’s for their own safety. A thousand cops (if they ever have that number) can’t control 10,000 marchers .

Whats the numbers of pro Palestine residents in Brum compared to Jewish people -BIG discrepancy.

It’s now understood that little to no engagement took place with Jewish community leaders (whatever a community leader is, not sure there’s any official qualification for that).

The whole thing is rotten. Birmingham sectarianism needs looking at.

I've read that there was a representative from a local mosque on Chief Constable's interview panel. Were there also representatives from local synagogues/churches? If not, why not?

You might also be interested to learn that Young Boys fans (a Swiss team) were allowed to attend a match at Villa Park just a couple of weeks after the Maccabi game and are known for being even more violent. That game had to be stopped due to violence and several fans were arrested.

But hey, they’re not Jewish and I’m sure Ayoub Khan had no issue with them making local Birmingham residents feel ‘unsafe’.

It's going to get even worse.

He lied because he knew that there was intelligence that Islamic were planning an attack on Jews. So he kowtowed to them and banned the Jews from attending.
Hes the chief constable of West midlands police FFS
How in the name of Jesus christ have we come to this?

There's another thread about this - regarding the use of AI to generate the reports that contained hallucinated information (i.e fiction) and the denial of the Police in using AI to write it.

The one Dame owned him with her conduct.

The performance of the Chief Constable at the select committee was woeful. God knows what went on here and whether he's just taking the hit for people under him who did a shite job but oh my lord, watching him is toe curling.

It's weak as well as dishonest policing.

Any Brummie supporting the police decision belongs to an obvious partisan group.

i have no beef with anyone not wanting riots on their streets.

I have massive beef with a police force making up stories about a group of people in order to keep them away from those streets.

You have to justify decisions like this, with honest reasons. Not just "oh a load of residents said they'd cause trouble if we let them come"

Yes - Thats where the “threat” was coming from.

The Chief Constable made his decision because of pressure from Birmingham residents.
Like you , he had not properly researched the facts.
He was led by “confirmation bias” into only selecting information that supported his bias.
We cannot allow the police to behave in that way.

Still people making excuses for the baying mob mentality, which was the real problem here. No surprises there.