West Midlands Police Chief Constable Should beSacked......

Supporting evidence for that?......

This is a senior, experienced and highly skilled police officer (not a data analyst) who took the word of his researcher that AI had not been used when in fact, someone had searched for a piece of information using a browser, and been presented with an answer generated by CoPilot.

When the police officer discovered the error, he immediately issued a statement and informed the govt committee of the error.

Yet you think he should be sacked. That we should throw away all that valuable experience and a man's career because of a technical mistake? I'm assuming you aren't a manager. I'm certainly glad you don't work for me OP. Haven't you ever made a mistake, then realised your error and immediately admitted that fact?

Your perfection must be hard to live with.

Birmingham is very much a divided city and increasingly lawless. Does no one remember the Southport riots and a Muslim mob running riot wielding baseball bats and terrorising local residents who had to barricade themselves inside a pub whilst they attacked innocent passerbys? It only ended when ' community leaders' stepped in to break up the fighting, not the police I may add. Probably not, because it was largely ignored by msm and starmer paid no attention, it didn't fit his narrative. No one wants to address the issue or dare to even mention there may be a problem, but it's increasingly obvious to locals: mob rule applies. Then you have single issue independent mps elected on Gaza platforms who delight in pushing their sectarian views and demands and as in this case, getting away with it. If the police have no authority and are fearful of community repercussions, what hope is there?

I agree with you in part.

Numerous scandals (grooming gangs, Sarah Everard, not investigating crimes unless called out on social media, heavy handed policing of others, and I'm sure lots more) have not been addressed and have ruined public trust in the police. And its therefore not a massive surprise to find they've lied once again.

However, there are other factors which are also important to this case. In my opinion, most important is the way the police allowed one minority to be demonised while ignoring violent threats towards that same minority from others, inflaming community tensions.

They can be treated as two separate issues. Police competence and corruption is not new so to my mind it's almost the lesser of the two issues.

The main issue is sectarianism bleeding into areas of public life where it has no place.

Because they are.

You can map the facts of this case - police chief caught in lie - onto any number of recent stories. Not all of which - if any - had the same connection to other much more shouty stories.

I already know police lie and lie about lying and are never held to account. So the more you dig here, the less there is to see.

Good question.

On another note AI, community tensions, police issue, gov trying to put the blame this is all very current.

Are you happy to have men who threaten to arm themselves and attack random Jews walking your streets? Are you happy to have them around your children?

Which is worse, do you think? Unpleasant slogans and songs, or vicious racists prowling the streets with baseball bats and knives, beating and murdering at will?

How on earth can you conclude the specifics of the case are a distraction?

We aren’t because few people put themselves forward, many vacancies for Chief Constable have only 2/3 applicants. It’s an awful, stressful job where you are one decision away from big trouble.

Do you also think we should be arresting people before they have planned or committed any crimes? Pre-emptive policing. To be fair, sounds good to me! They could eg arrest people before they attend incredibly disruptive weekly marches.

He should have the good grace to resign it’s a sad sign of where the uk is that he thinks it’s acceptable to cling on

The behaviour of WMP here is very, very much a story here and is extremely relevant... but agree with you he probably does feel hard done to.

The only story here is a rare example of the police being caught lying (in itself not even news) and someone actually being expected to be held accountable for it.

Usually the police (literally) get away for murder.

I can see why the Chief Constable might feel it's a tad unfair,

(The specifics of the case are a distraction, in my opinion).

Its mad really. We are talking about "community leaders" de facto running the UK's second city, as a euphemism for the loudest mouthed local Muslim men. And they're essentially dictating who can and cannot watch a football match in the UK's second largest city with the collaboration with this pathetic police force. And some wonder why Tommy Robinson is getting support and Reform are leading the polls.

Yep.

This is absolutely true. Unfortunately it will help stoke anti Muslim sentiment. No one wins.

Excellent post. Wider footballing culture does matter here, because that's needed in order to understand that Maccabi Tel Aviv have been treated less favourably. And that's a problem even if one happens to think the police blundered their way to the correct decision.

This thread just goes to show how entrenched some people are, and unwilling to consider evidence that challenges their position. The fingers go in the ears and we hear "lalala, hooligans, islamophobia, Gaza, lalala" despite all the evidence to the contrary.

It really is relevant because shitty behaviour by club supporters is not limited to one Israeli club. Because if MTA are being banned for horrible chants and some fans being absolute dicks then you would see a lot more clubs having fans banned from away games. Some England fans STILL chant 10 German Bombers, there was horrendous racism towards three black England players after the 2020 Euros by England fans.
When a team with known Ultras plays away then it's not uncommon for there to be a police escort to the ground. I see it happen fairly often in Manchester, it also happens for derby games between Newcastle and Sunderland and no doubt between teams in other towns and cities where there is known potential for trouble. I used to date a Bolton Wanderers fan who had been part of the escorted groups when going to away games.
In this case the bigger threat was not from football fans but those who opposed an Israeli team and their supporters from playing full stop and were happy to use violence against them. This was downgraded in the report and WMP provided false information while some Birmingham residents were openly talking about carrying baseball bats around with them. And it wasn't the Jewish Society at the university...

Yes, Muslim 'community leaders' might think what happened was a win for them. But all it does is build resentment which in the long run is bad for everyone.

Agreed. They should have cracked down on this behaviour. Plenty of evidence that if the law is applied appropriately the first time people are seen to break it, they stop, whereas we have had years of acceptance and now can't control it.

The police and politicians that have allowed this should be removed from their posts but I doubt they'll get more than a verbal reprimand, bringing further shame on this whole situation.

People wonder why Reform are leading the polls but its (partly) because they feel powerless when they watch people break the law and nothing happens. The most basic expectation of our police is that they do their job according to the laws of this country and apply them equally to everyone, irrespective of who they are.

This is pure lies and pure anti semitic hate.

Yes, the police need to admit that they can't control the mob. And if there's a conflict of interests between Jews and Muslims, they will always side with the Muslims because there's 10 times as many of them. Or they will side with the protesters because they outnumber the opposition.

All this is bad for community relations and it doesn't really benefit anyone.

Agree that an understanding of football culture helps here. I have been to Champions League matches against Turkish teams. Some of the chants and fighting here in Germany was bad enough. In Istanbul it was a whole other, awful, matter.

The point here isn't the fans. Arguably they are violent enough to be banned. That isn't what is going on here - lying by the police is what is going on here. Shaping the crime to fit the punishment, it really is Through The Looking Glass. That and interference by one local group and not others.