West Midlands Police Chief Constable Should beSacked......

I guess part of the problem with the PCC being an elected position is that the Muslim community has a huge amount of voting power to choose their preferred PCC. While I’m sure much of the Birmingham Muslim community are wishing to live gracefully alongside all other groups (Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, atheists), there seem to be some very powerful extremists who gave taken charge.

Given the evidence found of electoral fraud and coercion being at its highest in communities of Pakistani or Bangladeshi Muslims, it seems that the extremists will prevail.

Unless the government steps in and changes something significant, this will just get worse. The government seems to be in denial.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379417300811

From the article:

Abstract
Several reports have highlighted that, within Britain, allegations of electoral fraud tend to be more common in areas with large Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities. However, the extent of this association has not yet been quantified. Using data at the local authority level, this paper shows that percentage Pakistani and Bangladeshi (logged) is a robust predictor of two measures of electoral fraud allegations: one based on designations by the Electoral Commission, and one based on police enquiries. Indeed, the association persists after controlling for other minority shares, demographic characteristics, socio-economic deprivation, and anti-immigration attitudes. I interpret this finding with reference to the growing literature on consanguinity (cousin marriage) and corruption. Rates of cousin marriage tend to be high in countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh, which may have fostered norms of nepotism and in-group favoritism that persist over time. To bolster my interpretation, I use individual level survey data to show that, within Europe, migrants from countries with high rates of cousin marriage are more likely to say that family should be one's main priority in life, and are less likely to say it is wrong for a public official to request a bribe.

This seems to be the problem. I’ve just seen a clip of a woman innocently walking her dog who strayed into an area where there was an Islamist protest. The men shouted insults at her and called her a Nazi (she is very blonde) and the police were quite agitated with her and threatened to arrest HER for a breach of the peace for objecting to being called a Nazi.

The female police officer was quite rough and unpleasant with her and told her that she wasn’t allowed to walk down a certain road in her local area. The suspicion is that it was partly because she had a dog and for certain strands of Islam, dogs are extremely objectionable and the men were objecting to that.

There have been many reports of signs being put up in Islamist areas of the UK that dogs aren’t allowed and a Welsh council even considered officially banning them.

Reports from WMP that the Mosques threaten an armed mobilisation of men (could this be termed a militia?) if the police don’t do as they’re told, so the police give in. This is greatly concerning. Hie many other police forces are in this situation?

Crikey, that’s quite the dossier.

Not surprising, but still upsetting. The rot runs deep in the West Midlands Police.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/2ccc556d97b55717

Oh absolutely Simon Foster and before him Jamieson systematically dismantled police presence in the more affluent, conservative ideas of the West Mids, closing down police station after police station. Ridiculously low levels of policing, two tier policing, acquiescing to whims of “the Community”

Simon Foster bears some responsibility that is the debacle that is West Midlands Police.

Absolutely. It was abysmal.

Yes, I am very familiar with Brum. It's quite frankly one big shit hole. It's out of control and too late to pull back. You would think this resignation will change things. As long as the police are being controlled and not doing the controlling, the city is screwed.

Honestly, I lived and worked there for over 20 years. We left because it was no longer safe, our previously nice area had been targeted, and yes I do mean targeted

People just won’t discuss the very real issues that exist in Britain’s second city,

Same way they showed their anger towards Jess Phillips when she was re-elected. They simply are just violently intolerant.

yes the anger shown on the news by those individuals was visceral

Yet we are still getting Brummie posters denying the issue. I think we know why.

it’s become very clear in the news tonight that pressure was put on the chief constable to cede to certain Muslim groups demands over this. For anyone in Birmingham (including police officers) it’s been a clear problem for a number of years. Who can forget the event that led to shouts of two tier policing when rioting Muslims who had trapped frightened locals in a pub as one of its patrons was severely beaten getting away with it as they had been spoken to by an uncle of the community.

It’s a major issue in Birmingham- it needs sorting out urgently Getting rid of the chief constable is a good opportunity to make sure who gets the role is balanced.

Simon Foster is pathetic. God knows how they get these jobs. His speech after Guildford’s resignation was embarrassing. He should have got someone with a brain cell to read it first.

The local PCC (Simon Foster) has supported him and his actions throughout, it seems.

He's a liar and should have been sacked.

A very fair point. He should still have been sacked though, by the local PCC.

I dimly remember threats being made to Dr David Kelly about loss of his pension over speaking to a journalist about the Iraq ‘dodgy dossier’. If that threat was made it may well just have been bullying nonsense, of course.

Maybe the Muslim leaders should take responsibility for
this mess and stop suggesting ‘nothing to see here’.

The point is that damage has been done to trust in the police. This will further build resentment towards the Muslim community, which is something that Birmingham doesn't need, especially with all the other problems it has.

(I can't believe that our second city is still not getting its rubbish collected).

So it's ok for police to lie and not do their job, as long as it aligns with what you want?

I don’t think he should lose his pension. He’s been a copper since he was 20 and presumably has done some good work. I think Birmingham is rotten and that includes the police and he is just one of many who is kow-towing to the Muslim leaders because they don’t know what else to do. Fearful of claims of racism.

It needs sorting out.

Nice to know you support police corruption as long as it suits your point of view. There is NEVER any justification for faking evidence especially in his position.

this type of viewpoint from @MissMarplesNiece terrifies me, if something is wrong its wrong regardless of who is involved.

Brummie my eye.

True. Would this happen in the private sector? I mean the more humble private sector, not the big banking firms etc.

Don't know, maybe only at the very lower staffing levels.

I’m not sure under what legislation that you think that somebody could lose their pension. I’ve worked in the pension industry for years and never heard of anyone losing their public or private pension for any reason. It just isn’t a thing in the UK (unlike in US cop shows).