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Should I be proud or angry??

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Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 16:54

My 14 yo son is a blackbelt in Taekwondo. He worked really hard to get there, has always had a lot of discipline and regularly competes in competitions. It’s been drilled into him by his teacher and myself that the best way to avoid physical conflict is to walk away and Taekwondo also taught him de-escalation techniques and how to avoid getting into fights. It’s a sport for him. He’s never been in a fight other than the odd push or shove in the playground in his life…until the other day. A boy in the year above him has been “hassling” him for months, as he puts it. I’d call it bullying. He’s had racist abuse from this boy (DS is mixed race in a very white school) I’ve spoken to the school about this, nothing ever seems to change. The boy’s deliberately tripped him up a number of times, causing him to fall, taunts him, steals & hides his schoolbag, and has shoved him more than once. From what I know DS gives back as good as he gets verbally but has never retaliated physically. The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur and DS finally cracked. He floored him with a kick to the head! The boy wasn’t knocked out or anything and according to DS he didn’t kick with full force but it did knock him to the ground. There was no real damage done, it wasn’t severe enough for him to go to hospital or even go home from school (the school didn’t find out about the incident till much later in the day). I’m in conversation with the school about it now and DS is temporarily suspended pending a final outcome but the other boy hasn’t been suspended. AIBU to be backing my son here? The other boy started it - he got physical first, my son was defending himself, he’s been bullied by this boy for months (who is far bigger and stronger than DS) including being racially abused and the school did nothing about it. IMO this boy had it coming. DS also used a controlled kick, deliberately designed not to do severe damage. I’d never usually defend my son using violence, other than in self-defence, especially because of how highly trained he is, but in this situation I feel it was warranted. As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either! For that reason alone I can’t condemn him for doing what he did. I do feel uncomfortable with condoning violence but I also feel proud my boy stood up for himself AND managed to have the discipline in the heat of the moment not to hurt him more severely (which he definitely could of done). And part of me feels like saying to the school, well if you let racism go unchecked what did you think was going to happen?! Needless to say the boy won’t be bothering him again and he’s now a bit of a hero around school!

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SoMuchBadAdvice · 13/01/2026 20:15

Result!

It's the only way to deal with bullies, and the only way to make schools shape up.

Sorry to follow the same path as MN posters and make your story about me, but I hope that this helps. When my DS was being bullied, I taught him basic self-defence tactics - chop under the nose so that the aggressor's eyes start watering and they can't see to stop you hitting them where you want. Break their fingers because it is easy to do & very painful, so stops the assault.

I also told him that if he got into trouble at school for following my training, I would support him against the school - very important point. I then wrote to the school explaining what I had trained him to do and why, and what my attitude would be if he had to defend himself.

The school weren't happy, and wrote to me as such. However, victims are restrained by fear of getting into trouble, and bullies don't care.

Later a bully hit DS in the school & DS responded by hitting him back (better) and he fell over a low wall and had to be taken to hospital in an Ambulance. Bully wasn't seriously hurt, DS was never bullied again.

Well done OP & OP son!

BestZebbie · 13/01/2026 20:13

NewYearNewMee · 13/01/2026 16:58

I think your son has shown remarkable restraint despite being bullied and subject to racism (which the school seems to deem acceptable as they haven’t stepped in until now) in only responding now. Well done to him!

Hopefully the bully has learned a lesson, if not he might need a firmer kicking.

Yes, he floored him with the minimum force required to do so and then stopped attacking - that shows restraint and is strong evidence that it was self-defence on his part.

PeachySmile2 · 13/01/2026 20:09

There is only so much bullying and taunting one can take. Your son seems to have been pushed to his limit. You are doing the right thing by supporting him, please don’t let anyone or the school tell you otherwise. I am proud of him and don’t even know him!

MidnightMusing5 · 13/01/2026 20:08

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2026 17:00

He could have killed him with a kick to the head. Or caused a serious injury. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Edited

Don’t start what you can’t finish then? 🤷‍♀️

Kevinbaconsrealwife · 13/01/2026 20:05

Good for your son ….i fucking hate bullies…..

Babybirdmum · 13/01/2026 20:05

Unpopular opinion but is there a decent male figure in his life who can talk to him about this? Someone he respects/looks up to? It might mean more coming from them than his mum. Maybe even his coach at the club? As a woman I don’t understand the fighting mentality of boys, my husband talks of getting into self defence fights at school with bullies and he’s the most lovely man now he’s so kind. I’d struggle in this sort of conversation as I don’t fight/never have done/hate all this fighting stuff whereas he would give decent advice to a young boy on this topic I think.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 20:04

sundaysurfing
I think you’re white judging by your tone on this post - You absolutely need to advocate harder for him. You decided to have a child with a non-white person

I think she said in the opening post that
"As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either!"

Mmmnotsure · 13/01/2026 20:00

BringBackCatsEyes · 13/01/2026 19:32

OP has no previous posting history (under this name) and hasn't replied to this post yet (not long posted so fair enough).
I will give my opinion if she does.

Your post sent me back to look at the name.

MrsJeanLuc · 13/01/2026 19:59

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2026 17:00

He could have killed him with a kick to the head. Or caused a serious injury. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Edited

Oh get down off your high horse.!
And @Samdelila too.

OP clearly said his martial arts training has taught him about de-escalation and use of appropriate force - and it appears that he applied all that learning in a controlled and very grown up way.

@Seymorbutts what are you thinking woman? Why are you even asking this question?
OF COURSE you should support your son in this situation (clearly no-one else is going to!). He seriously didn't have any choice; if he didn't stand up for himself, then the other lad was going to keep pushing and pushing until something broke.
I think your son handled it in a very mature way and you should be proud of him.
And I think the school should be ashamed of themselves for not dealing with the documented racial and physical bullying - and I think you should tell them so (along with all the other good points you make in your op).

SexyFrenchDepression · 13/01/2026 19:57

Not surprised he retaliated however a kick to the head is way too much. Could have ended very badly. My youngest DS was bullied badly and he did retaliate a couple of time but just a shove one time and he slapped the boy the other time. He got suspended both times and the bully got no punishment. Typical of my DSs school though, it was dreadful.

Samdelila · 13/01/2026 19:52

Kicking someone in the head can kill them. You’re lucky your son’s not up for murder.

CraftyMintHedgehog · 13/01/2026 19:52

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 16:54

My 14 yo son is a blackbelt in Taekwondo. He worked really hard to get there, has always had a lot of discipline and regularly competes in competitions. It’s been drilled into him by his teacher and myself that the best way to avoid physical conflict is to walk away and Taekwondo also taught him de-escalation techniques and how to avoid getting into fights. It’s a sport for him. He’s never been in a fight other than the odd push or shove in the playground in his life…until the other day. A boy in the year above him has been “hassling” him for months, as he puts it. I’d call it bullying. He’s had racist abuse from this boy (DS is mixed race in a very white school) I’ve spoken to the school about this, nothing ever seems to change. The boy’s deliberately tripped him up a number of times, causing him to fall, taunts him, steals & hides his schoolbag, and has shoved him more than once. From what I know DS gives back as good as he gets verbally but has never retaliated physically. The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur and DS finally cracked. He floored him with a kick to the head! The boy wasn’t knocked out or anything and according to DS he didn’t kick with full force but it did knock him to the ground. There was no real damage done, it wasn’t severe enough for him to go to hospital or even go home from school (the school didn’t find out about the incident till much later in the day). I’m in conversation with the school about it now and DS is temporarily suspended pending a final outcome but the other boy hasn’t been suspended. AIBU to be backing my son here? The other boy started it - he got physical first, my son was defending himself, he’s been bullied by this boy for months (who is far bigger and stronger than DS) including being racially abused and the school did nothing about it. IMO this boy had it coming. DS also used a controlled kick, deliberately designed not to do severe damage. I’d never usually defend my son using violence, other than in self-defence, especially because of how highly trained he is, but in this situation I feel it was warranted. As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either! For that reason alone I can’t condemn him for doing what he did. I do feel uncomfortable with condoning violence but I also feel proud my boy stood up for himself AND managed to have the discipline in the heat of the moment not to hurt him more severely (which he definitely could of done). And part of me feels like saying to the school, well if you let racism go unchecked what did you think was going to happen?! Needless to say the boy won’t be bothering him again and he’s now a bit of a hero around school!

I'd be proud of your son.

At the very least I would be writing a VERY strongly worded letter/email to both the head AND the school governors asking for a full investigation on how a child can be racially and physically abused (with witnesses) but when they stand up for themselves they're the only one that gets in trouble. Make it clear that if this isn't taken seriously, you will be involving the police.

Good luck!

I'm a secondary school teacher and always amazed at what certain kids get away with. Absolutely fight this.

Mmmm19 · 13/01/2026 19:52

Namenamchange · 13/01/2026 17:05

I think it was fine to retaliate, but completely wrong to kick him in the head. Your son could have killed him, and the outcome for your son would now be very different.
The school should have safeguarded your son before this incident, and shoulder some responsibility, however your son was completely wrong and should have kicked him anywhere but his head

Edited

This - head is the big issue (not the retaliation which I can understand) and you can’t tell when it can be seriously damaging or fatal

JLou08 · 13/01/2026 19:49

I'd be proud of him.
In an ideal world we would not need to retaliate with violence, in the real world it's the only thing that can end bullying. You will have lots of privileged middle class white women clutching their pearl's saying violence is never okay, take no notice. Your son was shoved and racially abused, it was self-defence. The bully was escalating, it could have been a shove and then a punch to the head if he got away with the shove.

Itsnaptime · 13/01/2026 19:49

Everyone has a breaking point and your sons was at that point the other day.
If the school had acted on the racism and bullying it would not have got to that point so the blame is on them. I don't know your son but I'm proud of him for his restraint (I'd never have managed that) and for standing up for himself

Nousernamesavaliable · 13/01/2026 19:42

100% with your son on this.... hes shown restraint, it got him no where. Hes retaliated with actions ( not full force...still shows restraint)and has now been heard. If he was my son id be proud.

Bringyourfoldingchair · 13/01/2026 19:42

Your son did the right thing. Sometimes bully’s only understand their own language. My boys are black belts in ju jitsu. I also tell them never to hit first, but if someone hits you always defend yourself.

Declutteringhopeful · 13/01/2026 19:42

VickyEadieofThigh · 13/01/2026 17:00

I'm interested to know if the school has been recording these racist incidents as they are required by law to do. I'd ask that question and request the records if I were you.

This ask if the racist slur has been reported to the local authority and actioned.

user2848502016 · 13/01/2026 19:41

Not saying violence is ok but sometimes it is warranted and sometimes does the trick.
DH always says how he was picked on when he started secondary (mostly for being tall and quiet) and one day he snapped and punched an older boy really hard - he was left alone through the rest of his time at school!

The school are also at fault for allowing this situation to escalate to the stage your DS felt he had to react like this.

They probably had to suspend him though because they have to be seen to have a zero tolerance policy on physical violence - but yeah definitely not unreasonable to back your DS up

BlueSeagull · 13/01/2026 19:38

PROUD! hate bullies the other kid has been taught a valuable lesson.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 13/01/2026 19:38

Definitely have a discussion with his Sensei they need to go through the process with him of what he needs to do with the skill that he has .

My DS studied Karate years ago and it was always drummed into them it was Self Defence not Fight but in your DS situation he was pushed to Self Defence

PearAndGingerCake · 13/01/2026 19:37

I would welcome a sanction such as a short suspension/ detentions / no trips or the like to the child that kicked as violence needs consequences but child should only be given a full force consequence upon full evidence of all the lead up issues having been noted and looked into or dealt with at school being provided and if the school can’t follow through with that and show they did their best to deal with the issues then you can go to town on the school in retaliation and argue your child should get a lesser punishment and that they need to sort themselves out with in-house bullying.

You need to make them see that nipping this in the bud would have been the easier option than ignoring it unfortunately.

I’d also be trying to get in contact with the parents’ of the bully in order to make sure they are well aware of the prior events and to gauge whether there is going to be any hope in things stopping (bully may be copying example set at home unfortunately but hopefully not) and try to get something done there outwith school seeing as school has done bugger all so far.

You need to show those parents and the school that allowing this passivity was the wrong choice.

Balloonhearts · 13/01/2026 19:36

People have a breaking point. They can be pushed only so far. They had every opportunity to address the bullying. They didn't put a stop to it so your son had to. I'd not be allowing any punishment either.

laserme · 13/01/2026 19:36

I’m sure there are ways he could have retaliated without using a move involving kicking him in the head - it could easily have gone dangerously wrong

a friend of mine was into boxing - trained and did fights. Him and his 2 mates got into a fight with a nasty bunch of locals whilst standing up for a girl when he was around 18 - previously not had any run ins with police at all - good family, very good school etc etc and he used his fists. He was sentenced to significant prison time - several years …..the judge said it was an outmatched fight and he used his “training” - his two friends served barely any jail time.

i know your boy is only young but my point is he needs to save his training for the training room and be very careful how he uses it outside of there

Pinepeak2434 · 13/01/2026 19:35

I’m all for standing up to bullies - giving them a dig back is usually what it takes, but kicking to the head I don’t agree with as it could end up killing someone.