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Should I be proud or angry??

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Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 16:54

My 14 yo son is a blackbelt in Taekwondo. He worked really hard to get there, has always had a lot of discipline and regularly competes in competitions. It’s been drilled into him by his teacher and myself that the best way to avoid physical conflict is to walk away and Taekwondo also taught him de-escalation techniques and how to avoid getting into fights. It’s a sport for him. He’s never been in a fight other than the odd push or shove in the playground in his life…until the other day. A boy in the year above him has been “hassling” him for months, as he puts it. I’d call it bullying. He’s had racist abuse from this boy (DS is mixed race in a very white school) I’ve spoken to the school about this, nothing ever seems to change. The boy’s deliberately tripped him up a number of times, causing him to fall, taunts him, steals & hides his schoolbag, and has shoved him more than once. From what I know DS gives back as good as he gets verbally but has never retaliated physically. The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur and DS finally cracked. He floored him with a kick to the head! The boy wasn’t knocked out or anything and according to DS he didn’t kick with full force but it did knock him to the ground. There was no real damage done, it wasn’t severe enough for him to go to hospital or even go home from school (the school didn’t find out about the incident till much later in the day). I’m in conversation with the school about it now and DS is temporarily suspended pending a final outcome but the other boy hasn’t been suspended. AIBU to be backing my son here? The other boy started it - he got physical first, my son was defending himself, he’s been bullied by this boy for months (who is far bigger and stronger than DS) including being racially abused and the school did nothing about it. IMO this boy had it coming. DS also used a controlled kick, deliberately designed not to do severe damage. I’d never usually defend my son using violence, other than in self-defence, especially because of how highly trained he is, but in this situation I feel it was warranted. As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either! For that reason alone I can’t condemn him for doing what he did. I do feel uncomfortable with condoning violence but I also feel proud my boy stood up for himself AND managed to have the discipline in the heat of the moment not to hurt him more severely (which he definitely could of done). And part of me feels like saying to the school, well if you let racism go unchecked what did you think was going to happen?! Needless to say the boy won’t be bothering him again and he’s now a bit of a hero around school!

OP posts:
Mere1 · 13/01/2026 21:47

VickyEadieofThigh · 13/01/2026 17:00

I'm interested to know if the school has been recording these racist incidents as they are required by law to do. I'd ask that question and request the records if I were you.

This is sound advice.

Lostsoul35 · 13/01/2026 21:46

Personally I would be proud of my child for putting a racist bully in their place. Absolutely no need for racism it's disgusting. Sometimes action is the only way to deal with a bully unfortunately (may not be right but needs must when defending yourself).
That being said I would be having a good word with your son to explain the consequences of hitting someone on the head which he should know. That could have killed or seriously injured the other boy and your son would have that on him. People trained in martial arts can be charged as their body can be classed as a weapon. He could have used a different tactic which didn't involve kicking a head. He could also loose his license.
All people have their limits but I would absolutely be backing my child in this situation. Seems like the school have done nothing to protect him from this but he gets punished when he finally snaps. That's not right either and happens all to often.

LadyIrony · 13/01/2026 21:42

I had a rule with my DDs that if they used their karate skills on anyone, they would have to explain and justify it to their karate teacher. If the karate teacher agreed it was the correct action and justified then I would do everything in my power to ensure no other repercussions happened.

DD1 had been bullied by a boy at school over an incident he falsified - he told everyone she'd kicked his dog to death - the dog launched at her and bounced off her foot, witnessed by his mother who's a friend.

We were at a park with a passel of kids and the boy shoved DD aggressively, and when the boy went to do it again she performed an excellent kick to his chest and launched him backwards. She took the opportunity to run away and get an obstacle between them. His mother and I took control of the situation.

She told her teacher, and that was the end of it for us, as the teacher said she'd done exactly what her training was for. Depending on the situation, and if you are confident your son followed all of the training, I'd do the same here and feedback to the school that you consider the matter closed.

you haven;t paid all that money for nothing

SoMuchBadAdvice · 13/01/2026 21:39

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 21:32

Sorry I had to post my OP then go straight out! Don’t think I’ll get through all the replies but thank you to most posters for confirming what I already felt - he had it coming and also relief and pride that my son won’t put up with bullies and especially racism. I had no idea every complaint about racism had to be logged. Is it just complaint or evidence-based incident? Because I’ve complained to the school before and been told that the boy’s denied it, there were no witnesses but that it would be “fully investigated” and often they haven’t followed up. The school is Catholic so while it’s still a state school it often seems to operate like it’s a private school and do whatever the hell it wants!

I don't think that it helps to connect racism & bullying, it tries to justify something unacceptable in an unacceptable way - i.e. bullying is always unacceptable, racism is always unacceptable, this scenario is always unacceptable whatever spin you want to put on things.

Purpl · 13/01/2026 21:39

Be proud and dont punish. Black belts can cobtrol kicks thats why they black belts. Shame on school. Its a lesson now to all the others kids stay away. Hes a hero cos the other kids know hes a vile bully.

MrsBridgetMcClusky · 13/01/2026 21:39

I felt sad for your son reading the post. He sounds like a lovely young man dealing with things he shouldn't have to. School are failing him.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 13/01/2026 21:38

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:26

A shove causing a fall can kill .... end of. (Which was done to the victim of the racist bullying.)

The son is the victim here, not his bully; blaming the victim for something which did not happen is kinda unreasonable.

Its"kinda unreasonable" to imply that i said anything about who was to blame.

You keep thinking that a shove that may cause a fall is equal to a kick to the head and I'll keep calling bullshit

SunnySideDeepDown · 13/01/2026 21:36

I’d be proud too. F* the school and what the head thinks - real life is much more than just school. Your son stood up for himself, I’d be proud. The other boy may think twice before he starts on anyone else now.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/01/2026 21:36

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 21:32

Sorry I had to post my OP then go straight out! Don’t think I’ll get through all the replies but thank you to most posters for confirming what I already felt - he had it coming and also relief and pride that my son won’t put up with bullies and especially racism. I had no idea every complaint about racism had to be logged. Is it just complaint or evidence-based incident? Because I’ve complained to the school before and been told that the boy’s denied it, there were no witnesses but that it would be “fully investigated” and often they haven’t followed up. The school is Catholic so while it’s still a state school it often seems to operate like it’s a private school and do whatever the hell it wants!

That is classic behaviour to deny racism and racist violence.

again:

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GloriousGiftBag · 13/01/2026 21:33

Toddlerteaplease · 13/01/2026 17:00

He could have killed him with a kick to the head. Or caused a serious injury. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Edited

Agreed.

It is a mistake to think your son had the ability to careful control what harm was done. It's just luck. There's an episode of 24 Hours where a previously decent boy kills someone with one punch. The police involved all talk of their mixed feelings about it. That could be your ds.

It is utterly unacceptable for your ds to he subject to racist harassment at school. But there are many other ways to sort it and outside of school if your ds tries to sort issues with violence he will be in a very difficult place re consequences very quickly.

LadySlipper · 13/01/2026 21:32

I'd 100% be proud of him and back him all the way at that school. That bully has played a stupid game and won himself a stupid prize.

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 21:32

Sorry I had to post my OP then go straight out! Don’t think I’ll get through all the replies but thank you to most posters for confirming what I already felt - he had it coming and also relief and pride that my son won’t put up with bullies and especially racism. I had no idea every complaint about racism had to be logged. Is it just complaint or evidence-based incident? Because I’ve complained to the school before and been told that the boy’s denied it, there were no witnesses but that it would be “fully investigated” and often they haven’t followed up. The school is Catholic so while it’s still a state school it often seems to operate like it’s a private school and do whatever the hell it wants!

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Nextweektoo · 13/01/2026 21:31

The other boy earned it, well done to your son!

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/01/2026 21:30

"The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur [...]."

As a stand alone event this would enrage me. However, this is the most recent of many incidents. The perpetrator is not just a bully. He is a violent racist that has been assaulting OP's son with impunity. I would be putting that to the school administration and asking why they have turned a blind eye, or even sanctioned such behaviour.

@Seymorbutts Please get outside advice. Don't let the racial aspect slide.

blackequityorg.com/who-we-are/

GreenRedFlowers · 13/01/2026 21:29

It's understandable why your son reacted in that way but I would talk to him about the consequences of using violence unless his life is under real threat that knocks someone to the ground.

The risk isn't the kick, con it's the landing. All it takes is a bad crack to the head on a hard floor, a kerb or furniture as you go down and you may have a cerebral haemorrhage and a dead child.

There are literally legions of manslaughter and murder cases like this where a punch results in a fall, a head injury and death and good people whose lives are ruined forever.

Your son sounds like a good kid. He's been lucky this time but you don't want him in jail.

canklesmctacotits · 13/01/2026 21:27

He did the right thing, and I'd be asking the governors and appropriate staff for answers to why a child should be suspended for a single act of self-defence when violent and racially aggravated bullying results in nothing at all. I'd arm myself with the relevant part of the school's policy on bullying and racism on premises.

Please tell your son that he's an example, and that a random middle-aged woman thousands of miles away is proud of him for showing skilled restraint and control when provoked. And congrats on the black belt.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:26

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 13/01/2026 21:22

What absolute bullshit.

A kick to the head can kill....end of

A shove causing a fall can kill .... end of. (Which was done to the victim of the racist bullying.)

The son is the victim here, not his bully; blaming the victim for something which did not happen is kinda unreasonable.

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 13/01/2026 21:26

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:14

And if the son had been injured? Which is at least as likely.

You can keep arguing with me but you won't change my opinion.

If the son was injured then the racist would have been in front of a judge. That's the law.

Personally, I wouldn't want my son to be provoked into risking their entire life & future that way.

And actually I haven't said he was wrong to put the bully on the floor, just that he's capable of doing so safely, so he should have done it safely.

A controlled kick to the head is still a kick to the head, and no kick to the head is safe.

BusyPeachEagle · 13/01/2026 21:25

I can sympathise that your son finally snapped, and give him some compassionate understanding for that. However, a kick to the head can kill. One kick or punch can kill. Then your son would be in a whole different situation with lifelong ramifications.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 13/01/2026 21:22

WandaW · 13/01/2026 17:09

Unlikely. If he’s a black belt he knows how hard he’s going to kick someone - he would have control

What absolute bullshit.

A kick to the head can kill....end of

HereintheloveofChristIstand · 13/01/2026 21:20

I'd be proud, yes and furious that the school have not safeguarded your son before when they knew he was being bullied.

LifeQuestion · 13/01/2026 21:15

Seymorbutts · 13/01/2026 16:54

My 14 yo son is a blackbelt in Taekwondo. He worked really hard to get there, has always had a lot of discipline and regularly competes in competitions. It’s been drilled into him by his teacher and myself that the best way to avoid physical conflict is to walk away and Taekwondo also taught him de-escalation techniques and how to avoid getting into fights. It’s a sport for him. He’s never been in a fight other than the odd push or shove in the playground in his life…until the other day. A boy in the year above him has been “hassling” him for months, as he puts it. I’d call it bullying. He’s had racist abuse from this boy (DS is mixed race in a very white school) I’ve spoken to the school about this, nothing ever seems to change. The boy’s deliberately tripped him up a number of times, causing him to fall, taunts him, steals & hides his schoolbag, and has shoved him more than once. From what I know DS gives back as good as he gets verbally but has never retaliated physically. The other day however, this boy shoved him hard (not just according to DS, multiple witnesses also) against his locker and called him a horrible racial slur and DS finally cracked. He floored him with a kick to the head! The boy wasn’t knocked out or anything and according to DS he didn’t kick with full force but it did knock him to the ground. There was no real damage done, it wasn’t severe enough for him to go to hospital or even go home from school (the school didn’t find out about the incident till much later in the day). I’m in conversation with the school about it now and DS is temporarily suspended pending a final outcome but the other boy hasn’t been suspended. AIBU to be backing my son here? The other boy started it - he got physical first, my son was defending himself, he’s been bullied by this boy for months (who is far bigger and stronger than DS) including being racially abused and the school did nothing about it. IMO this boy had it coming. DS also used a controlled kick, deliberately designed not to do severe damage. I’d never usually defend my son using violence, other than in self-defence, especially because of how highly trained he is, but in this situation I feel it was warranted. As a black woman, if someone called me what that boy called my son (especially if they also shoved me like he did) I can’t say they wouldn’t get a flying kick to the head either! For that reason alone I can’t condemn him for doing what he did. I do feel uncomfortable with condoning violence but I also feel proud my boy stood up for himself AND managed to have the discipline in the heat of the moment not to hurt him more severely (which he definitely could of done). And part of me feels like saying to the school, well if you let racism go unchecked what did you think was going to happen?! Needless to say the boy won’t be bothering him again and he’s now a bit of a hero around school!

I think the advice years ago, about being kind, not responding, and reporting bullying to the school authorities is just not working. I believe, and this may be an unpopular opinion, that if children don’t strike back the bullying never stops. If I had a child, I’d be preparing them to stand up for themselves, and not shrink away. Schools can’t cope, it’s every child for themselves or in therapy in later life.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 13/01/2026 21:15

Support. Your. Son.
It was self-defence.

Pudmyboy · 13/01/2026 21:14

All those catastrophising about what didn't happen, all the incidents where DS was tripped over and shove could have had the same result
I think @SinnerBoy makes a very good point, all of the assaults on the OP's son could have led to serious harm, yet no-one seems to be bothered about that!

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/01/2026 21:14

DoIdriveaVauxhallZafira · 13/01/2026 21:05

It is the point.
If the racist had been injured - or worse, even with a controlled kick, then the op and her son would be at the police station right now. He would be facing charges.

And if the son had been injured? Which is at least as likely.