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Adult daughter stuck as the 'capable one' – Mum's learned helplessness.

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fireandice26 · 12/01/2026 19:19

I’m a woman in my late 30s. My parents are both around and still married. I have an older sister (married, with two children) and a younger brother who lives with my parents.

For years, I’ve been the default 'capable one' in the family - not because my siblings aren’t capable, but because it’s the 'role' I’ve been put in. If something needs doing (usually for my Mum) - banking, bills, admin, planning trips - it lands on me. In fairness, my Dad is very capable and handles a lot, but my Mum is very secretive and suspicious and wants me to handle her admin and banking. She feels that if my Dad did it, he would get access to her money (which is money he gave her throughout the marriage).

She presents as very helpless. This isn’t due to any disability or cognitive issue - she’s physically well - but she has never worked and has no interest in learning basic admin because she knows someone (usually me) will step in. She’ll say things like 'I don’t know' or 'What can I do?' or 'My English isn’t good' - often followed by tears.

I have tried setting boundaries. I’ve been clear in the past that I can’t keep doing everything. She did listen for a while, but gradually slipped back into old patterns, asking again and again until I gave in or approaching things indirectly.

A good example is that she regularly asks me to plan holidays for her and my Dad but won’t offer a single preference, idea - or opinion. If I don’t plan it, nothing happens - and then she complains about never going anywhere.

What’s really started to bother me is how instrumental the contact feels. Recently I was very unwell - and she asked how I was feeling and whether I was off sick from work (I was), but it became clear she was really checking whether I was 'available' to do admin for her. She even offered to bring me soup, but it didn’t feel genuine - it felt like a way to keep me on side so I’d help her with her admin. Turns out, my gut was correct.

At home (which I’ve now stopped visiting because it makes me anxious), she would also do things like pinch me under the table to get my attention or ask me to 'help in the kitchen,' then shut the door and use it as an opportunity to quietly complain about my Dad or extended family. She will write a complaint in her Apple Notes and then present the screen to me as if I’m supposed to look at a photo, when really she wants me to read the words quietly. I find this very uncomfortable and manipulative, and it’s damaged my trust. I do not want to be around her anymore.

My father once asked me to buy a Ring camera on Amazon since I have Prime. That was no problem. When I later asked how it was working, he said, 'Haven’t opened it yet. Will wait for you to come and set it up.' So every visit, I was expected to be 'tech support.' This time I said no, and I haven’t been to see them in just under a year. I didn’t even see them this past Christmas.

There’s also a big imbalance in the wider picture. My brother lives in the family home rent-free and will inherit it. It’s been mortgage-free for over 20 years. He is in his 30s and has the entire top floor of the house. All his cooking, cleaning, and laundry are done for him, and he has never paid a bill in his life. He is 35. He only started working a few months ago, and his income is entirely his own. My sister and her children will inherit a large chunk of money. I’ll receive the smallest share - yet I’m the one expected to do the emotional and practical labour to keep everything running.

Since I’ve reduced contact and stopped going over as much, my life has been noticeably calmer, which has made me realise how stressful that role was. But the guilt is intense when I say no, especially as I know that if I don’t step in, things simply don’t get done. I’m now continuing to step back completely from helping with admin and banking and holding those boundaries firm, but I’m struggling with the feeling that I’m being 'cruel' or abandoning them, even though I know rationally I’m just refusing an unfair role I’ve been pushed into for years.

Has anyone dealt with learned helplessness like this in a parent? How do you hold boundaries when they’re initially respected but then slowly eroded - and how do you manage the guilt when you’re the one everyone relies on by default? I fear that when my Dad goes, I’ll become the full-time caretaker for my Mum - which would be reasonable if she were genuinely incapable, but not if this is simply learned helplessness.

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Otterdrunk · 02/02/2026 17:03

I also noticed that my siblings’s marital status meant my own parents viewed them as more adult & impacted how they continued to view me as more like their child still - despite being equally independent & settled with my own partner. For them marriage seemed to equal fully adult & was a helpful boundary for my siblings when it came to filial expectations & responsibility. So not something I’d encourage often - but get married OP & your obligations in your parents’ eyes may change!

Otterdrunk · 02/02/2026 16:52

Well done OP for not only realising how you’ve been conditioned to occupy the role in the family as caretaker but further kudos to you for then having the strength to step away & prioritise your own needs more. It is so not easy & the guilt can become overwhelming. I too know difficult it can be to navigate the role of confidante, support & emotional outlet for your mother, which can lead to resentment, an intense sense of protectiveness & also frustration as the person despite all your advice & support will never (or is incapable of) change. Or in her case standing on her own 2 feet.

Some questions - did your mother ever work? Was she allowed to by your DF or did she occupy a traditional stay at home mother role? Does she speak English & did she never develop this fully because of being relegated to the house in the domestic role? Is this common or unusual for other women of her age & possible ethnicity?

Sorry to ask but are her suspicion & fears over your DF because her access to money is actually withheld or controlled by him? Is she actually being abused? I know how difficult a position this puts you in & how it (control, abuse) may not be overt. Have you ever found yourself encouraging her to leave your DD? Apologies for asking but…

It sounds so fustrating & hurtful to see how much her level of dependence on you is so completely enmeshed in her genuine feelings of care for you. That her offering to bring you soup when ill is laced by her own needs & fears of your support no longer being forthcoming from you. I don’t doubt that she loves you but is incapable of separating herself from you as an extension of her. Well done for making the break as it were & putting your needs first.

I think the only thing to do is to continue with the boundaries. I know only too well the pressure that if things aren’t done by me, they won’t get done at all & so it feels quicker to just to do them rather than wait for the shit show to inevitably have to clean up, or sort out, if certain things are not addressed in the here & now. As they both age & their care needs increase this will become even more of a problem & her dependence on you will become more pronounced. All the more reason to reinforce your stance now & to try to maintain it -as in old age it can become suffocating & all encompassing.

Amy chance of setting up a family what’s app & outlining tasks & things that need to be “done” & enlisting your sister & brother to get involved? Or a family chat? Just you siblings? Taking turns? The difficulty you have is that your mother has manipulated you into being her confidante. And I doubt your brother will not give a shit if he is equally dependent & avoidant of any life responsibility.

Sympathies OP I relate a lot to what you’re experiencing. Good luck.

Bonkers1966 · 01/02/2026 21:23

Become too busy
Phone on silent. Out for the day. You are enabling this behaviour. Just text brother to step up then disappear off to an appointment. Keep doing that. Then do it some more. Do you actually hate yourself?

Nantescalling · 01/02/2026 21:19

What a bizarre situation. I really feel for you and am so pleased that you have taken a big step back. I can see what a relief it must be no to be their Admin. Just don't let you Mum drag you back into her net. Your entitled brother should be the one taking responsibility for this kind of thing and even you sister though married, could help with holiday planning?

Guttted · 22/01/2026 11:52

Rooting for you @fireandice26- you have sacrifice so much already. Please emotionally detach as a lost cause and actively fill your life with busy plans and reciprocal friendships that will sustain you and stop you ruminating on your parents and the FOG that traps you in your mind and drains you even when you say NO and are not with them. You need to seek out activities and people who will emotionally enrich and fulfil you.

Greenlandss · 21/01/2026 20:12

You are brave, and you can be unavailable and simply don't answer for days.
Leave it longer and longer to answer.
Be busy at work, on a loop.
You can do this.
Mute them.
It gets easier the more you practice it.
My lovely friend accepted that only she could change things for herself and she did.
You can do it too.
Don't answer the phone, send a text after a few days that you are too busy, best you sort it out or ask dad, brother.

Don't give them the power to destroy your mental health, you can do this.

gamerchick · 21/01/2026 20:08

Excellent news OP. Keep saying no.

fireandice26 · 21/01/2026 20:05

Greenlandss · 14/01/2026 13:20

OP, your situation is not unusual.
My dear friend was the lesser sibling to her goldenballs brother always, and it continued into adulthood when he had children.
She too was being asked to do her admin, as Adam was too busy and his job too important, despite her mother providing childcare to his children.
She only heard from her mother when she needed something.

My friend could see the future and applied for a job 2 hours away and never told them until she had already left and taken up her new position.
Her mother called her as she needed something and my friend told her she had moved.
Her mother couldn't believe it.
Total disbelief.
She told her not to worry Adam would help.
She went very low contact and was the happier for it.
She met a lovely man, with a gorgeous family and she largely left her parents to goldenballs.
She had her own family and never regretted her move.

Goldenballs had zero difficulty saying NO he was too busy, and on the rare occasion her mother tried to complain that she rarely saw him or his family once the children no longer needed childcare, she was shut down firmly.
After 45 years my friend had zero interest.

Wow. This is my situation - pretty much down to a T. I'm please to hear your friend is in happier spirits. I'm sure it must have taken a lot/a long time to get there!

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fireandice26 · 21/01/2026 19:53

Hi all,

Sorry for the slow response. I left the country for a break as I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Back now... and sure enough, they tried again to get me to do their admin/booking flights. I said no.

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rainonfriday · 14/01/2026 20:22

abracadabra1980 · 14/01/2026 06:25

@rainonfridayI have to disagree to a certain extent and in this case, she has a 'right' to know why it shall be so disproportionate as the family have obviously discussed it prior to anyone's death. She has a right to understand why she is being treated like shit.

She literally doesn't. She has an understandable desire to know why she's being treated like shit. It isn't a right though. Her parents don't owe her an explanation however much she may want one.

I doubt they have any reasonable explanations anyway, so what's the point in hearing a pile of bullshit? Is OP going to feel better being told that men are more important than women? Is her mother going to admit to being a narcissist and telling her she's doing this to her because she can and she likes it? And if she did tell OP that, would it make OP feel better?

I suspect you think that if OP is given the explanation, it'll give her something to argue against and persuade them with, for why their reasons are "wrong". Whereas in reality the leaving of inheritance is subjective based upon a person's beliefs and beliefs are subjective too, so there isn't really a definitive right/wrong about it, there's just what the person leaving the inheritance wants to do. Getting stuck on arguing the toss about it and trying to get them to change their behaviour or beliefs or admit they've been unfair or whatever else outcome is desired, would just be keeping OP stuck in the drama they've created, tangled in their toxic web, when she'd be much better off leaving them to it, not trying to understand them and walking away to get on with her own life in peace.

Her parents have the right to behave like arseholes if they want, so long as they're not doing anything illegal, which they aren't (assuming we're talking about the inheritance). And they have the right to keep their reasons for their behaviour to themselves if they wish. That's how personal autonomy works. And how ownership of possessions works.

I think her parents are totally despicable people, but I'll defend their right to be so, because we all have the right to be whatever we want/are. It's not illegal to be a knobhead and I wholeheartedly wish there were less of them in the world, but it's allowed, them's the rules.

OP has the right to decide she doesn't want to associate with arseholes and cut them out of her life. She can ask them to change, but she doesn't have the right to demand it and kick off if they don't, any more than they have the right to demand she continues in the role they've lined up for her.

This is why there's so much arguing around inheritance, people not actually understanding what their rights are. Expecting an inheritance, thinking they've a right to it or to an explanation they agree with about why they're not getting it, when no such rights exist. And one of the reasons why it's hard to walk away from toxic people, because so many people don't understand they have the right to do that and don't have to keep people in their life if those people are treating them badly, even if they're family.

Greenlandss · 14/01/2026 13:20

OP, your situation is not unusual.
My dear friend was the lesser sibling to her goldenballs brother always, and it continued into adulthood when he had children.
She too was being asked to do her admin, as Adam was too busy and his job too important, despite her mother providing childcare to his children.
She only heard from her mother when she needed something.

My friend could see the future and applied for a job 2 hours away and never told them until she had already left and taken up her new position.
Her mother called her as she needed something and my friend told her she had moved.
Her mother couldn't believe it.
Total disbelief.
She told her not to worry Adam would help.
She went very low contact and was the happier for it.
She met a lovely man, with a gorgeous family and she largely left her parents to goldenballs.
She had her own family and never regretted her move.

Goldenballs had zero difficulty saying NO he was too busy, and on the rare occasion her mother tried to complain that she rarely saw him or his family once the children no longer needed childcare, she was shut down firmly.
After 45 years my friend had zero interest.

Hopingtobeaparent · 14/01/2026 12:16

Enrichetta · 14/01/2026 10:55

No, don’t do this, @fireandice26

stepping right back and making it clear that you are not available or prepared to deal with stuff which is her responsibility to sort out is the way to go. Anything else will just lead to you getting the blame for ‘not helping’ and hurting her feelings.

@fireandice26

I agree with this post.

As tempting as it is to go down the passive aggressive responses route, in the long run it’s not the healthy, or helpful way to go forward. It would likely cause issues with the other relationships you have with immediate family members. Although granted, you may also go/be low contact with Bro as he’s not fallen too far from the mum tree.

gamerchick · 14/01/2026 12:14

FOG. It can be very ingrained.

You sound a bit like me. One sibling settled, another still at home and me as far away from the toxic mother at all costs. You'll get to that point and it'll tip you over like it did me. NC is the only way to deal with these types of mothers.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 14/01/2026 12:13

CauliflowerCheese00 · 14/01/2026 08:01

Have you considered your brother is doing this because he can see how agreeing to help is a never ending chore and doesn’t want to get dragged into being their carer?

Take a leaf out of his book. This is the behaviour you need to adopt.

Agree with this also.

I don't have much to say what hasn't been said already OP.

It's an absolute piss take.
I do more for my DM than my DB but I have insisted on her leaving the house to us both as she's offered to give it to me because I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing that he got nothing; although today she said that she would maybe take a loan out so he got something...!?!?? Yeah I stopped that one right in its tracks (I hope).

Absolutely cut off completely if you feel to. You're going to need time for yourself to practice self love and healing and like someone else said, possibly grieving as it's still a loss.

Try not to feel guilty, it's false guilt and you are taking care of you and you are the most important person in your life.
You deserve to put yourself first.

If a conversation with your DB should arise about your withdrawal of help, you can tell him that you have had enough of the abuse demands of DM and that as he'll be forever living at the house like a man baby he needs to start doing it. He's more than capable because you're done with it for the foreseeable future.

How will you do it?
Will you tell them all in the group and then leave? Or just stop responding?

Good luck. I think we are all rooting for you x

TreeDudette · 14/01/2026 12:03

My DP has a parent like this and his only remedy is to keep far away. She still sucks him in to do her admin now and then but mostly his is very low contact. I think you need to read the book "let them". So your mum wants to not have a holiday because she won't organise it - let her. She wants to be upset that you won't drop everything and rush over to sort her banking - let her. It's tough and takes practice but according to DP it gets easier.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 14/01/2026 11:59

Hopingtobeaparent · 14/01/2026 11:52

@fireandice26

Wow. Just wow. (Even though I suspect there is some cultural differences here, it’s still a hard read!)

The last year sounds like it’s been a very insightful experiment. I would seriously consider going full NC with mum. It may be the best gift you ever give yourself!!

Some great responses and advice so far, books and resources, but just to put my vote in to add the weight.

  1. If brother is staying at home and inheriting the house, he inherits the jobs with it. ‘Sorry ask your useless man baby you’ve created son. Repeat. Grey rock style.
  2. Truly reach acceptance that this is a ‘her’ thing, that she really is this manipulative. She’ll never see it this way. You can’t reason with unreasonable people. You can’t choose your family. But you can choose who you have in it/your life.
  3. If you haven’t already had some, have some therapy. Compassion focused may be helpful. Even if you’ve already had some, have some more. It’s a bit like servicing a car…
  4. It is awful situation to have to deal with. Allow yourself some space to mourn the mum you don’t have.

Wishing you all the best!!

Edited

Absolutely this

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 14/01/2026 11:58

Hufflemuff · 13/01/2026 03:24

Wtf that is no excuse. You surely split inheritance 3 ways. Or even splitting it so the grandkids get a little chunk - so its 5 ways 25, 25, 25, 12, 12 or something?

To give one son an entire house is fucking bat shit and I'd be kicking the fuck off about that! When they die he needs to move out, sell, split it and move the fuck on with his life.

I agree.
My DM is mortgage free and has been talking about leaving the house to me for me and my family.
We, my family and I, DP, 2DC 11 and 7 are in temporary accommodation and are having to rely on social housing for our forever home.

My mum's house is a three bedroom mid-terrace house but sadly needs a shit load of work doing to it and it will cost a fuck lot of money to fix up that it is doubtful that my partner and I will ever afford to get it all done.

My brother has his own rented place in Wales and I don't think he'd ever move back down to London. He has two adult children who live their own lives: one has a mortgage and kids, the other doesn't have any children and is quite detached from the rest of us.

I've told our DM that I won't accept the house and that she should leave it to DB and me and we will split it 50/50.
She says "but it's a 3 bedroom house!", and yes we need a three bedroom property but it's a project really.
She doesn't see all that needs doing.
It's too big for her and the upkeep of it just isn't happening. It's too much for me to tackle by myself and I'm the closest and do her admin etc.
She was born in the house so she wants to die there.

But there's no way I'm not sharing the house. DB may not do much for her but he's still her DS and they have a good relationship so it's fair to split it.

Hopingtobeaparent · 14/01/2026 11:52

@fireandice26

Wow. Just wow. (Even though I suspect there is some cultural differences here, it’s still a hard read!)

The last year sounds like it’s been a very insightful experiment. I would seriously consider going full NC with mum. It may be the best gift you ever give yourself!!

Some great responses and advice so far, books and resources, but just to put my vote in to add the weight.

  1. If brother is staying at home and inheriting the house, he inherits the jobs with it. ‘Sorry ask your useless man baby you’ve created son. Repeat. Grey rock style.
  2. Truly reach acceptance that this is a ‘her’ thing, that she really is this manipulative. She’ll never see it this way. You can’t reason with unreasonable people. You can’t choose your family. But you can choose who you have in it/your life.
  3. If you haven’t already had some, have some therapy. Compassion focused may be helpful. Even if you’ve already had some, have some more. It’s a bit like servicing a car…
  4. It is awful situation to have to deal with. Allow yourself some space to mourn the mum you don’t have.

Wishing you all the best!!

Enrichetta · 14/01/2026 10:55

99bottlesofkombucha · 14/01/2026 06:33

Group WhatsApp, and every time something comes up from her you post it on there -‘brother dad needs the ring doorbell set up, they write the manual for idiots so I know you can do it’
‘brother/sister mum needs help with her banking/ the house insurance’
brother mum wants chicken soup ingredients, you’re the one who lives there so she says can you please pick them up.’
‘mum says she is unhappy with your Christmas presents, everyone please try harder next year.’
’brother, sister, mum and dad think someone should organise them a holiday, I’ve organised all of them and I’ve retired from that, so over to you.’
You don’t owe her confidentiality and she will draw on you less if she thinks you’re immediately going to share it. Keep calling your dad a bit though, he sounds not too bad.

No, don’t do this, @fireandice26

stepping right back and making it clear that you are not available or prepared to deal with stuff which is her responsibility to sort out is the way to go. Anything else will just lead to you getting the blame for ‘not helping’ and hurting her feelings.

Gossipisgood · 14/01/2026 10:47

Only help if you want to & have the time to & minimise what you do. If your Mum asks you about a holiday, have a look at some holidays online & send her links so she can decide for herself & book it herself. If she doesn't get booked up & doesn't get away it's not your fault as you've done what you can. If you do start to visit again if she put pressure on you to go into another room to bitch about others simply say 'no I'm fine here thanks' & Don't go with her. don't let her manipulate you. If you decide not to visit because it's too stressful then don't but ring now & then to check in with them. Keep the conversations light & if your Mum start to moan or complain about your Dad or others simply ignore her & chat about your day, the weather etc & don't engage.

Skybunnee · 14/01/2026 10:32

I had a brother who constantly needed help with life, constantly asking .constantly being badly treated by others (in his mind) -for years and years. I finally just stepped back -‘oh,dear’ if he had a problem, gave no help. In the end our relationship was much better, pleasanter all round.

i would say your DM is putting you in the role of someone from her past (the fact she can’t see how good you are). Did she have a domineering older sibling, was there a controlling DGM or Aunty.
Anyway,I suspect you will not get a penny from her. She is too bitter and twisted towards you.
But at only 60 years - it is ridiculous. If you end up doing the caring over the next 20 years -well more fool you.
Im over 70 and don’t plan to make any demands on my adult DC, barring dementia or similar.

HappyMamma2023 · 14/01/2026 10:17

How can your siblings just carry on and expect you to do everything. Just boggles my mind.

Agapornis · 14/01/2026 10:09

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you might find the South Asian Mumsnetters board helpful. I'm sorry they're treating you as a skivvy. Good on you for not visiting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/south-asian-mumsnetters

There was a similar post some time in the last 6 months - I think that OP found it helpful to reduce the amount of phone calls, e.g. once a day/week. As in, let them (her) know and then don't pick up if they call more often.

South Asian Mumsnetters | Mumsnet

A forum for South Asian parents to chat and discuss issues.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/south-asian-mumsnetters

Guttted · 14/01/2026 08:30

99bottlesofkombucha · 14/01/2026 06:33

Group WhatsApp, and every time something comes up from her you post it on there -‘brother dad needs the ring doorbell set up, they write the manual for idiots so I know you can do it’
‘brother/sister mum needs help with her banking/ the house insurance’
brother mum wants chicken soup ingredients, you’re the one who lives there so she says can you please pick them up.’
‘mum says she is unhappy with your Christmas presents, everyone please try harder next year.’
’brother, sister, mum and dad think someone should organise them a holiday, I’ve organised all of them and I’ve retired from that, so over to you.’
You don’t owe her confidentiality and she will draw on you less if she thinks you’re immediately going to share it. Keep calling your dad a bit though, he sounds not too bad.

I seriously wouldn’t up the level of existing enmeshment and triangulation set by your parents amongst your siblings with this behaviour. That’s running right into a fire and a trap where you will be central perpetrator and blamed for the chaos.

Silence, physical distance, emotionally detachment, dignity. You already have covered a lot of ground by not seeing them for a year. Write out all of their expectations and demands and see how over the next few months you can rid yourself of each of these tasks once and for all. A simple ‘No. That doesn’t work for me’ - will do the trick. Rinse and repeat just the once then ignore. No excuses no defending yourself. Don’t get drawn in to the manipulation. I suspect they will set up the siblings or other relatives as ‘flying monkeys’ to berate and lure you back. Ignore them. Also expect a made up drama around health to get you running back. Don’t react to that. Anything sinister she will be in good hands with healthcare - don’t fall for the false alarms.

Physically pivot the focus of your life and turn your back on them all - are you very busy and emotionally fulfilled in the rest of your life? Need to keep pushing to nourish and build that for yourself - so that you are so busy with fun people, activities etc that your mind is distracted from the FOG.

shuffleofftobuffalo · 14/01/2026 08:29

The only thing you can really do is withdraw. Don’t say you can’t do it, just don’t do it. Leave it to them to find someone else to do it, don’t arrange for your brother to do it.

Please bear in mind they will hate you for doing that and it is not an easy option. But if you’ve tried everything else it’s worth considering.

personally the unfair split in the will would be enough to make me withdraw! The reasoning is so disrespectful.