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Alternativelyviewed · 13/01/2026 12:05

Well exaclty I guess they are also sitting on shaky ground with oppressive regimes

However I wonder what citizens of those countries think when they see the people or Iran with signs for help from USA ?? don't they think why not our leaders ?

Ihatetomatoes · 13/01/2026 11:23

Alternativelyviewed · 12/01/2026 23:10

Why is the USA the one who may go in ? Why can't Egypt, Pakistan ,Saudi etc ? Ie some countries from the actual region ? Do they care what's happening don't they want to help ??

They don't tend to get involved. They also don't get criticised for not helping much either 🤔

However, when the West do get involved they are critised (often by Westerners) and when they don't get involved they are also criticised.

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RedTagAlan · 13/01/2026 11:12

Twiglets1 · 13/01/2026 09:01

@RedTagAlan I’ve been trying to find more details on the 25% tariff announcement.

According to CN Business they will be in addition to existing tariffs. If they are right, the new tariff could mean a minimum 45% tariff rate on goods from China for example, versus the current rate of 20%.

CNN Business report that China’s foreign ministry today decried the move, pointing out that there are no winners in a tariff war.

Cool. It just goes to show how little Trump thinks. Anyone else would make it clear.

HappyFace2025 · 13/01/2026 09:35

Yes

RavenclawWitchy · 13/01/2026 09:27

This is why Trump thinks he's untouchable. People seem to think the US are the world's Police Force.

Alexandra2001 · 13/01/2026 09:08

Throwing a few missiles into Iran will not get rid of the current regime.

That would require a sustained attack and a blockade but even then, with no get out for the regime, they will just stay and fight, they have no choice, no one will have them & atm the Iranian Army have said they promise to to stay loyal...

Look at Syria? the place was utterly destroyed before Assad fled.

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 09:03

LeedsLoiner · 13/01/2026 08:55

Yes of course the US should get involved, look how well that's worked in the Middle East over the years, in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya - remember the "Arab Spring", what could possibly go wrong...

Do you think Iranians can overthrow the regime without help?

Twiglets1 · 13/01/2026 09:01

@RedTagAlan I’ve been trying to find more details on the 25% tariff announcement.

According to CN Business they will be in addition to existing tariffs. If they are right, the new tariff could mean a minimum 45% tariff rate on goods from China for example, versus the current rate of 20%.

CNN Business report that China’s foreign ministry today decried the move, pointing out that there are no winners in a tariff war.

LeedsLoiner · 13/01/2026 08:55

Yes of course the US should get involved, look how well that's worked in the Middle East over the years, in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya - remember the "Arab Spring", what could possibly go wrong...

SpaceRaccoon · 13/01/2026 08:48

In this case I think intervention is warranted, and ridding the world of current Iranian leadership would be a great thing.

PurpleAxe · 13/01/2026 08:37

The people of Gaza might have a half decent chance of a life with Hamas broke and broken.

Trump is a prick and a bully, and I hope he acts like both those things and cuts the head off the snake.

I don't give a shit about US/Israeli manipulation. MY children will be safer with these bastards destroyed.

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 08:33

Dgll · 13/01/2026 08:02

Which of the other big powers, and their lovely leaders, would you choose to cosy up with?

Who should help @DeftGoldHedgehog?

howrudeforme · 13/01/2026 08:11

The big issue is that if these protests don’t work (and it’s likely they won’t without help) that’s the the Iranian people screwed for years to come..

speaking to an Iranian friend who is terrified for her sister there she’d wish the US or any other govt would help inspite of motives. It’s tearing families apart. The parents don’t want her to protest as they are scared but they want radical change. The daughter wants to be part of radical change and this is common across the board.

so many people have died and disappeared. If this doesn’t work and the regime regains their grip a lot more people will disappear.

no idea of the answer but people are desperate.

Dgll · 13/01/2026 08:02

DeftGoldHedgehog · 12/01/2026 06:08

To do what, support the Iranian regime? Trump is nothing but a tin pot dictator himself. Perhaps the rest of the world should get together, bomb the US and remove Trump.

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Which of the other big powers, and their lovely leaders, would you choose to cosy up with?

Boomer55 · 13/01/2026 07:58

Well the revolution appears to have been defeated again. Trump threatened a lot, but did nothing to help them.

RainbowBagels · 13/01/2026 07:37

oldtiredcyclist · 13/01/2026 06:46

This is possibly one of the most incorrect posts on here. For a start, there are no Iranian/Shia terrorist groups in Egypt or the Gulf states. Yes, they are influential in Yemen and Lebanon. I would also say that despite our MSM saying that Iran is highly active in Iraq, what they don't say, is that Iraq is by far a majority Shia country and the Baathist regime under Sadam Hussein treated them worse than the theocracy in Iran is treating its own citizens.

Isn't the Muslim Brotherhood an offshoot of Hamas? I didn't mention Iraq.

Lambington · 13/01/2026 07:28

Yeah because regime change in the Middle East always goes swimmingly when the US gets involved.
Revolution needs to come from the Iranian people. Not outside forces.

Alexandra2001 · 13/01/2026 07:27

Gahr · 12/01/2026 23:17

The left wing don't care about Iran. Only Gaza.

Really? the problems in Iran, Iraq, Libya & Gaza/West Bank are at least in part and sometime all as a result of right wing political & military interference.

You don't know your history.

Those calling for military action in Iran? what exactly? Trumps last strikes didn't even remove the Nuclear threat, the facilities are deep under ground, all he did was slow the process down.

Trump seems to think that a missile strike here or there will solve the worlds problems....

I don't know what the solutions are, ATM its probably unsolvable, its a huge country of 90m people, one of the worlds oldest countries, the West getting involved will lead to far more bloodshed & not solve anything, Iran's leaders know there is no way out, so will fight to the death.

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 07:23

Alternativelyviewed · 13/01/2026 07:14

@Userxyd he took out their nuclear stuff so I think they know he is serious look at Venezuela.

He said behind the scene they are desperate and negotiating. At the end of the day isn't this their business ?
The people in France and other revolutions had to do it themselves.

Apparnkty.aa usual many countries in the region would love Iran. To fall but they do nothing.usa can't win.

They were criticism for not helping the kurds when Sadam gassed them then when they did go in they were criistdedmn

They will be vilified either way. And sometimes over and above the actual regime violent regime oppressing the protestors.

Alternativelyviewed · 13/01/2026 07:14

@Userxyd he took out their nuclear stuff so I think they know he is serious look at Venezuela.

He said behind the scene they are desperate and negotiating. At the end of the day isn't this their business ?
The people in France and other revolutions had to do it themselves.

Apparnkty.aa usual many countries in the region would love Iran. To fall but they do nothing.usa can't win.

They were criticism for not helping the kurds when Sadam gassed them then when they did go in they were criistdedmn

Userxyd · 13/01/2026 07:03

Trumps been saying they’ll go in if the regime kills protesters- they’re killing hundreds of kids and young people and now Trumps changed his mind?? He’s got a duty to do what he said- he will have encouraged those protestors to think things are about to change, he’s got our back let’s go to the streets - he can’t abandon them now. The regime will be massively emboldened if he doesn’t go in and Trump will have made things infinitely worse.
Their blood is on his hands if he turns his back having prompted these protests - imagine the backlash from Iranians - and other supporters of the protesters. He’s got to do something now he’s started this.

oldtiredcyclist · 13/01/2026 06:46

RainbowBagels · 13/01/2026 05:48

Iran are already in a proxy war in those countries through their funding of terrorism throughout the region. But yes, rich Arab countries should be doing more to promote stability in the region. Problem is they also hate each other. Its quite difficult to work out who hates who more. It is suspected that Iran provoked October 7th because Saudi were negotiating better relations with Israel so they wanted Israel to attack. If the Iranian regime falls many terrorist groups fighting in Lebanon and Egypt will lose their funding. We are busy cosying up to Qatar but who knows what they are doing. India is also wanting to make friends in the West but is also cosying up to Russia and Iran because they have issues with China and Pakistan so possibly pressure could be put on countries like India, Qatar and UAE to help out a bit with peace in their own region. The whole thing is a binfire.

This is possibly one of the most incorrect posts on here. For a start, there are no Iranian/Shia terrorist groups in Egypt or the Gulf states. Yes, they are influential in Yemen and Lebanon. I would also say that despite our MSM saying that Iran is highly active in Iraq, what they don't say, is that Iraq is by far a majority Shia country and the Baathist regime under Sadam Hussein treated them worse than the theocracy in Iran is treating its own citizens.

Twiglets1 · 13/01/2026 06:32

RedTagAlan · 13/01/2026 04:05

I notice in his " truth" he did not state "in addition to existing tariffs". So if your nation is on 40% for example, it appears that dealing with IRAN will actually see your tariffs drop.

And in any case, it is the importer that pays anyway.

It may be in addition to the existing tariffs, I don’t think we know at this stage.

I’m no expert on the implications of high tariffs. But I believe they affect both countries economically- the US & the countries that are hit with high tariffs. Obviously Trump sees it as a punishment.

RainbowBagels · 13/01/2026 05:48

Alternativelyviewed · 12/01/2026 23:10

Why is the USA the one who may go in ? Why can't Egypt, Pakistan ,Saudi etc ? Ie some countries from the actual region ? Do they care what's happening don't they want to help ??

Iran are already in a proxy war in those countries through their funding of terrorism throughout the region. But yes, rich Arab countries should be doing more to promote stability in the region. Problem is they also hate each other. Its quite difficult to work out who hates who more. It is suspected that Iran provoked October 7th because Saudi were negotiating better relations with Israel so they wanted Israel to attack. If the Iranian regime falls many terrorist groups fighting in Lebanon and Egypt will lose their funding. We are busy cosying up to Qatar but who knows what they are doing. India is also wanting to make friends in the West but is also cosying up to Russia and Iran because they have issues with China and Pakistan so possibly pressure could be put on countries like India, Qatar and UAE to help out a bit with peace in their own region. The whole thing is a binfire.

RainbowBagels · 13/01/2026 05:31

Alternativelyviewed · 12/01/2026 23:14

Ultra religious proto fascist regime I've never heard this before

Proto-fascism refers to the ideologies, movements, or figures that directly influenced or preceded the development of fascism, often sharing core traits like extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, militarism, anti-liberalism, and an "us vs. them" mentality, even if not fully formed as "fascist". It describes political forces that make fascism more likely by laying ideological groundwork, using paramilitary tactics, or exhibiting early forms of fascist thinking before fascism as a coherent ideology emerged, like in early nativist groups or radical nationalists
From AI. It always surprises me when the Hard Left allies with Islamists because apart from being Brown they are exactly this.

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