To find it hard to care about men's issues

However, without the 'knowledge worker' jobs, what is the alternative? All I see touted is that young people should consider 'traditional' jobs such as trades....so, those ones like construction where physical differences can really make a difference. And yes, I know some women can do those jobs as well. Others not so easy due to pregnancy, childbirth issues, etc. but also so much equipment and tools is just not made for women's bodies. There was even the case a few years back about the woman bus driver who had to quit as she couldn't operate the new bus that had been designed on a different scale.

So, my concern is that women will be competing with men for the few knowledge jobs that are left as well as the traditional women's jobs: teaching, nursing, etc. (which will be likely be paid even less due to a flood of people wanting those jobs) and then men will have a lot of physical jobs available to them, which they will guard carefully

I disagree my son has stronger friendship groups than my daughter has ever had.
They have ups they have downs but they get along generally speaking and they genuinely care about each other’s well-being.
They are well versed on mental health and physical health and the effects on the individual of both

No itd because they think negatively about men and boys. The resarch is quite conclusive. There is reserch all over the internet about how preference for sex has been a global divide with people in the East preferring a boy and those in the West preferring a girl. Interrstingly, migration seems to follow this line. So a Chinese couple in the UK will likely adopt a preference for a female baby in alignment British natives. They start to believe the same harmful things about girls beimg smarter and nicer than boys.

Thats the thing. Women stay with a man who makes them hate all men and then treat little boys like shit as a result.

YABU. I absolutely do care because I’m married to a man and I’m the mother of two young men, all of whom find life hard going in different ways from time to time. And I have male friends and other male relatives - why wouldn’t I care about them? I can care about this and about women’s issues as well - my brain can hold more than one set of thoughts / concerns at any one time.

That's ridiculous. If the number of men arrested for CA or who had murdered someone was aby way responsible for the massive levels of suicide in men, we would have a lot more murder-suicides. They would be happening every day. Same with CA. Evrry day, every single police force would be out arresting tens of men for CA and a couple of them would kill themselves as a result.

Men kill themselves because they are very unhappy and often mentally ill without treatment.

What are you doing with him then? 🤷

And me. I care about those I know and care about, if they have a real problem I don’t care about “whiny/poor me” people, that I don’t know, banging on about trivia.

Regardless of gender.

I find it all a little bit self indulgent to be honest, I honestly don’t understand all this navel gazing “what it means to be a man” stuff. Just don’t be a creep, don’t wolf whistle 14 year old girls walking home from school, don’t think a woman owes you anything because you bought her a gin & tonic.
My OH is one of 4 boys who all have grown up into really lovely men and I do think a lot of it is from having a great dad who treated their mum well and modelled that behaviour. I’d probably say that they are all have what you would call quite stereotypical male interests, but it doesn’t mean they have to be leery, alcoholic neanderthals to be very masculine men. OH will go the match with his brother and enjoys a pint, but best believe he’s up next morning cleaning or helping with the kids, getting washing sorted etc.
P.S also heavy on the leaving Barbieland comment OP. Also went to an all girls school and loved it and was brought crashing down to reality when I left.

That's because some women want daughters particularly. There are complex reasons for this, which are rarely about an aversion to boys, and more about the desire for a child of one's own sex. Men feel this too about sons. The 'devastation' spoken of is about not having a daughter, not about having a son. It's an important nuance.
Also, taking threads about a particular subject is a very flawed barometer of public opinion. There is no strong evidence that a majority of women are devastated not to have daughters. And less if any that this translates to unfavourable treatment of any sons they have.
My own view is that people desperately wanting a same sex child will sometimes behave disfavourably to that child, seeing them as a 'do over' of themselves and having very restrictive expectations on the child, whereas an opposite sex child will be allowed to develop as an individual.
Regardless some women not wanting sons isn't going to change a man's world anytime soon.

Oh, sorry-I thought you meant there was evidence. Not a hack article. You talked about women detesting their sons, not a slight reset of generations of disappointment at the birth of a girl.

@Parsleyforme I have an issue with the whole narrative about male suicides.

I want to see figure on male suicides that do not include the murder suicides and the arrested for child sexual abuse suicides before I can start to care about that

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/gender-disappointment-reveal-boy-toxic-masculinity-b1242719.html

Absolutely.

Oh search gender disappointment on here. Its a known issue that has morphed from women generally wanting boys (first at least), to them now being devstated that they are having one. Really, really worrying.

YABU. I don't see the world in such simple terms, partly because I am half black. It isn't as simple as 'men are opressors and women are opressed'. Not by a long way and I am tired of people saying that it is, both on here and elsewhere.

If it’s easy to see the evidence that mothers detest their sons then it will be easy for you to share it. Looking forward to seeing it.

Caring about men's issues means looking at the causes. Which for me can be pretty much summarised as capitalism and patriarchy.
Men struggle when they feel inadequate. In our society inadequacy arises from not succeeding against society's yardstick (wealth). This is why financial issues are a leading cause of male suicide.
Men struggle when they are exploited by an expectation they will work beyond their capacity by wealthier and more powerful men. This is why work pressure is a leading cause of male suicide.
Men struggle because poor mental health or emotional issues are seen as weak. Instead of seeking help they self medicate with drugs and alcohol. This is the toxic masculinity that arises from patriarchy, and why leading causes of male suicide are untreated mental illness and substance use.
Unless men face up to the fact its the twin pillars of the society they created and they wanted that mean so many are now failing to thrive, they will never help themselves. They will just go on implying its the progress women have made that's the cause, because its easier than facing that male led society got it wrong.

It's easy to see the evidence so many women nowadays are devestated to be having a little boy. It seems more predominant in middle clased white women than anyone else. We need to intervene before it harms more little boys. Being raised by a mother who detests you because of your sex is more likely to make you a dangerous, violent person than anything else.

Yep.
Intel and hate against women is an issue.

The bit I dont get is the bar is SO low you dont have to do much to be WAY better than your peers which confers an ENORMOUS advantage in the game of life.

When i was mids 30s and single on OLD it was so disheartening as I was financially success funny / outgoing but am average looking and overweight - my "peers" were highly educated financially solvent funny kind vivacious women who were also super fit physically and generally very groomed and beautiful vs me...
And then we look left at the 30+ single men cohort 😒

I was looking at the absolutely lame and inadequate men these women (& i) were dating and thought what the point unless i want a total mismatch / to carry someone through life ...also they'd supremely high calibre women are clearly going to make it harder for me.
and by that I mean they were lazy, selfish babies some had a lot of sex dysfunction and half of whom were living at home.... its not like i only wanted to date a guy who was 6ft in finance (i cant think of anything worse tbh) just a normal nice guy.
(I got creative and found a nice one who eventually became DH)

That sounds like you are saying that men are really suicidal, so they follow through. Whereas women tend to use techniques that they know likely wont kill them but will let everyone know they tried. It almost sounds manipulative.

Why is he your DP?

I think this is the problem..women choose the worst men and then think that their sex is what makes them bad and that all men are like the awful man you chose. You then think is is justified to fail to show humanity and compassion towards any of that sex because you hitched yourself to awful men. It is incel like behaviour.

If you have been so harmed that you can no longer feel human emotions towards other people, you need to be kept away from others and in therapy. You shouldnt be having relationships and definitely not raising or educating boys. You are a danger to them.

Are you angry about mren in history or men now?

I don’t buy the whole men are feeling guilty because women are making them feel guilty. If they actually felt bad you’d see a massive uptick in men doing more for their kids, doing their bit at home, taking parental leave, being more civilised towards women etc.

I do think some men are struggling with their place in the world and how to be a decent man but I think thats a man problem as well. With the number of men who are a bit shit or just ditched their children men don’t have as many examples of what being a decent normal man is like as a role model. Thats mens fault not women.

I do think as a society we should care about things like male suicide rates, I’ve tried to kill myself a few times and that despair is very human. But I think this is something that men need to be involved in fixing.

I agree some of the comments here are vicious.