To find it hard to care about men's issues

Men don’t repress their emotions at all. They simply channel them in more unhealthy ways. They are much MORE likely to act on emotion. This is evidenced by the far higher incidences of crimes bourne out of emotion.

Anger is a secondary emotion. It comes from channelling emotions such as jealousy, embarrassment, humiliation, loss of control, grief, loneliness etc etc and having fewer ways of expressing those emotions in a healthy way or seeking support from social networks in the way women do.

This is why women do much better when they live alone than men as living alone does not amount to ‘loneliness’.

Your brother has a point. It is very hard to men in some ways. They are human beings too, not an alien species.

Not all western women of course, but no one ever posts on mumsnet because they’re upset about having a baby girl, only a baby boy. I don’t think that’s about man-hating though. I think it’s just feeling worried that they won’t be as close to a boy and that they will lose their son to a potential daughter in law’s family.

One thing I don’t think men consider is that th patriarchy is as damaging to men as it is to women.

Plenty of evidence-but you chose a piece of fluff.

Exactly. As a mother of boys I obviously care for them, but also if I had daughters I wouldn’t choose for them a world where the narrative around what it is to be a man is so negative. Don’t know what the answer is except all keep trying to do our best! I talk to my boys about feminist issues and also try to be sensitive to understanding what it means to be a boy these days

As long as you don't have an expectation that men should care about any womens issues, then you aren't being hypocritical at least.

Personally, I feel the only way forward for humanity is to stop splintering off into seperate tribes and to start caring about every human being's issues as a whole. Because mens issues affect women and vice versa. And looking at a small part of a larger problem will never lead to a solution.

As far as I can see, this tribal approach has not helped a single movement that has adopted it. Racism, lgbtq issues, feminism, can you honestly say these have been getting any better since this combative approach was adopted in the late 2000s?

Because men are often cited as whining or unmanly for admitting vulnurability.

If I can go on a tangent for a second, one thing I have been thinking about recently is this: why do men tend to bottle up emotion and push it down back inside? Whereas women - so the revived wisdom tells us - are much better at letting it out, talking about it and dealing with it.

We tend to see this summarised as 'women handle their emotions better' or 'women are more emotionally mature' or whatever.

So the thing I am wondering is - are men this way because of their higher innate tendency towards anger and violence? What I mean is - for men, emotion is dangerous. Excess emotion and letting those emotions out can lead to very dark things. They have learned that in order to function in the world, they HAVE to repress their emotions because to men, releasing emotions doesn't mean crying or breaking down, it means violence and anger.

Just putting my thoughts down here really. I myself have never felt any real urge towards violence, and I've never actually committed any. I think it's clear that men do feel that and therefore to them, emotions are best repressed.

Yes there are pretty clear line divides. Western women prefer girls.

What all western women ? 🙄

But yes the lit reviews and studies that sre due to be published over the kect 2 years will probabky conclude this. It seems that way from individual research. The pppr expectations and low opinion of boys affects how they are parented, especially when compared to their opposite sex siblings. We know that parents treat babies differently once they are aware of their sex. So often from the womb they already change their language.

No I really don’t to be honest and I don’t say that to be facetious, I just know I am a woman.

Trying to think of circumstances under which it would be unseasonable.

I guess if you are the sort of person who feels affronted if others don’t care about the issues you do, it would be a bit hypocritical.

If someone you have some duty to support is distressed by this, it’s a good thing to be empathetic.

Other than that — care or don’t care about what you like. There are plenty of horrors in the world to be worried about, we can’t all care about everything.

What's the saying? To those accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

Yes I don’t get people screaming for equality and then judging people simply because of their gender. We’re all just humans capable of the best and the worst be we male or female .

If you believe girls are easier/nicer/whateverer, then you believe boys are harder/not as nice/not as whatever. Western women think badly of men so do not want boys. Simple as that.

This too. I know a hell of a lot of 'poor me' women, and it is every bit as annoying.

I think its a question I think about often for different reasons. We recently had a supreme court ruling that I think prompted a lot of people to consider that at a very literal level.

There are millions of issues one might care about. Obviously not unreasonable to not particularly care about this one.

Not particularly until specific challenges are directly affecting me and then I aim to overcome them one at a time.
That seems to work well for most people

I disagree. There is research that shows that of those stating a preference its the desire for a girl that is the driver not an aversion to boys. There is also no evidence to suggest that there is a pattern of this translating into unfavourable outcomes for male people.
If we are to be 'seriously worried', we should be presented with evidence that a significant majority of women actively do not want sons, when they have sons those children are raised unfavourably, and that this translates to a pattern of harm for men.
Without this, it looks like just another example of scratching around to find a way to blame women for men problems, while conveniently overlooking the real issues. Which is not very helpful to men. Because while you're off down these blind alleys, you're doing nothing to about the real causes.

men are expecting women to care because they are used to women being the ones to get stuck in to sorting social issues.

Men’s problems has been on the main created by men, and while women could put in the labour to fix this, a generation of women have stepped back and said “you fix it”.

Eg mens spaces like pubs closing down have happened because men changed their spending habits, it was men who were their main customers. Men changed how they spent their money /free time and haven’t come up with a healthier alternative. (often men changed their habits based on changes to things like - bosses no longer tolerating lunchtime drinking, tightened rules about drink driving making one or two pints after work before driving home or on the way home no longer being an option- but these changes have been brought in by men in positions of power.)

@Parsleyformei would always turn it round on your brother, what is he doing to fix this? How is he getting involved with his community problem? Do not give him suggestions though.

Do you ever think about what it means to be a woman?

There is plenty of evidence. That is just an article about the issue. Look on google scholar and you will find it. By next year, there will be even more reviews that confirm Western women prefer female babies.