To find it hard to care about men's issues

Well we clearly need more female role models, absolutely. But boys need role models possibly even more often than girls do, because there are a lot more boys growing up without a father than girls without a mother. Which is probably not helping society with the Andrew Tate effect

Derry Girls, Little Women, Grace and Frankie,Thelma and louise

yanbu because "Care about what you want."
Are you trying to convince others to your way of thinking or sharing your priorities?
Didn't convince me.

they should be. Thousands of years of patriarchy will do that to you.

There is an organisation: The Campaign Against Living Miserably (CALM) for men. For their mental health issues. Set up by a woman.

Rape crisis centres, with men's facilities: set up by women.

etc etc.

there are a couple of German ones from the 2000s (Die Wilden Hühner - not sure if available in English but they are great)

I’m really sorry you have been badly treated.

I am angry, I think I deserve to be angry about how men have treated me my whole life. Isn’t it okay to be angry about how you’re treated? I’m not trying to argue with you at all but I am interested to see why you think it’s a bad thing or that some of us aren’t entitled to be angry. Most men I know are angry about something almost every day.

So youve got nothing.
Ok

Pretty much the same. My BIL is probably the best one I know but even he is a bit selfish. I’ve never known a good one, it’s pretty sad.

Yep I think it’s just condensed here , thankfully I don’t think it’s society as a whole ( I certainly hope not) but you have to feel for men who are judged here for just being that, a man. I’m a woman btw and have rarely felt downtrodden by the many male figures that I have round me or if I have I’ve been strong enough to stand up for myself .

Another absolutely ridiculous statement

mind boggling.

Wow. I knew mumsnet hated men but this is terrible.

Some really really vitriolic statements on here that are really depressing for the state of society.

Christ could you be any more patronising 🙄

Are you not capable of a simple Google search? You can answer your own questions in half the time if you look for information instead of waiting for someone to spoon feed it to you.

If I see something I think is bullshit, I simply do some research for 10 minutes and get my answer, along with a load of interesting information which broadens my view. But hey, maybe I should try just mithering MN posters and waste double that amount of time not getting anywhere, because it must be fulfilling. You must be getting something out of it so maybe it's a valid waste of time!

I have a dad, two brothers, husband and two sons and male friends. Of course I care about things that are hard for them. You can do that whilst also being aware that centuries of male dominance continue to have adverse effects on women.

I've just finished reading a book called BoyMum, which has some interesting things to say about the difficulties faced by men in forming emotionally close friendships. My friendships are enormously important to me and I have always been grateful that emotional intimacy amongst women is encouraged rather than viewed with suspicion.

Exactly would it be true? I’m not saying it’s not true I just think it’s a sweeping statement without giving actual figures to back it up and specifying what we are talking about
What points are we judging?what do we include in violence ? Physical only? Mental manipulation? Bullying? Not sure what dark triad traits are 😊 crime statistics are out there for sure and easy to prove.
Would things be different if woman had been historically powerful ? the ones that have been don’t seem to be that different from powerful men.

Wtf? No mother ‘detests’ their child for any reason unless they have serious mental health issues.

Then the right question would be ‘is it true?’. I’m comfortable to defend the assertion that the worst people are overwhelmingly men.

What metrics would you pick if you wanted to select really damaging, harmful members of society? I think I’d look for things like crime, violence, dark triad traits. All overwhelmingly men when looking at the extreme end.

Sidestepping the question there…

When I had PND which was triggered by severe sleep deprivation due to a sickly child who never slept - (never more than 1 hour unbroken sleep for 8 years - rarely more than 3 hours sleep in 24 for a couple of years) I had a temper - not physical, thank goodness - but I would find myself wailing like a banshee. And I do mean find myself. It was already happening before I was aware of it. I had zero desire to be a shouty parent and read a lot of books on good parenting to overcome this tendency. I remember one book (Biddulph) saying: just take a breath and step away, put that buffer in before you raise your voice.

That line made me burst into tears because there was no moment in which to take a breath. That was the crux of the problem. He totally misunderstood the nature of an angry reaction. It's out before you know it is there. That is why anger is so hard to manage. Only non-angry people - people without anger issues, are able to take a breath first. If you can, then you don't have an issue! By the time I was aware the noise was coming from me, it was already out in the world.

What I learned was how to manage myself all the time, so that there was never a point at which I could be triggered. This meant self care, which was very hard to achieve with endless hospital visits and a baby that screamed for 16 hours of every day, in agony which no one could soothe, whose cries triggered rocketing cortisol in my system. It was hellish. But I learned to do what I could and became the calmest mother around. It took real hard work. It is one of the things I am most proud of achieving though no one else would even classify it as an achievement.

Just as no parent should take seriously advice on childrearing from a non parent, we should be careful not to take advice on how to manage anger issues from people who have never had them.

I don't think we can use the example of one woman who deliberately aped many of the more toxic traits associated with masculinity in order to gain and keep personal power as reflective of what a world would look like if women had greater or equal power to men.
Thatcher held power because she pursued a certain political objective that many thought was desirable at the time. Had she diverted from this to focus on womens issues she'd have been out on her ear pretty quickly.
One female figurehead in a male dominated society isn't the same as women holding power in every institution and at every level of society.

Hitchens' razor: that which is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. It is therefore on you as the person making the claim to bring the evidence supporting it. Let's have it.

You keep posting this and then claiming that there will be research evidence published 'in two years'. Sounds a bit like 'Trust me mate, I've got the evidence, I just can't show it to you yet'. Colour me sceptical.

The bar for male behaviour really isn't that high. Talk more. Pull your weight at home, including the scut work. Looking after your own children isn't 'helping'. Accept that you are a team when both of you are working and earning and that there are no such things as 'women's jobs' in the home. When you feel unwell, see a doctor. It shouldn't be rocket science, and I feel no sympathy for anyone, male or female, who cannot manage these absolute basics.

I have two sons, by the way.

You can bet that if women had the kind of political power that men do we'd have better gynae and maternity care.

Yes Thatcher did an amazing amount for women.

How would it sound to me? In 50 years on this planet, I’ve never come across such a scenario. I’d probably capture it alive preserve it And put it in a zoo.