To find it hard to care about men's issues

I think the fact that there are plenty of perfectly simple things that men could do to
make a better society and they just don’t do them is so very depressing and enraging.

Surprised by the voting on this. There isn't a violin teeny enough as far as I'm concerned. A good start would be for all men just to acknowledge the benefits that male privilege has bestowed, and continues to bestow, on them before they even get up each morning.

But there are so many really basic things the men in your example could do to be better. Their domestic excuses are so pathetic. They 'don't see' the mess that needs cleaning up - really? They don't see the used dishes or the full dishwasher? They don't see the full laundry basket? They don't see the grime in the sink or bathtub? Bullshit. They choose not to see it or do anything about it.

They don't understand that gaming all night means neglecting your family? They don't understand that their kids want daddy to read to them or put them to bed? Nonsense. They leave women to do all that.

As for 'they're hard wired to be the provider ' - balls to that too. They have but to take a look at all the women who work and earn and pay their way. They need to accept and appreciate that.

over the years, I’ve seen a few posters asking for help overcoming disappointment with having boy babies. Like I say, on here I think it’s fear of lack of closeness over the long term, rather than man-hating!

Don't know what you're bitching at me for, I'm not the one posting any of things you've mocked here. I was simply calling out someone being an arsehole.

Maybe improve your own comprehension skills before insulting other people calling them a self proclaimed academic with snarky little strike through writing, it looks petty 😂 Though to be honest I can't take anyone who bleats on about "menz" seriously because that looks childish too.

😂

Me too. Men are 49% of the population. How can we say we just don’t care? The gender divide affects us all - the more disenfranchised and disillusioned men become, the poorer our relationships will be, the more violent crime and suicide there will be, and a hundred other problems.

Men literally don’t know what to do these days or who they are supposed to be. They feel like they’re the enemy. To some extent this is caused by the subjugation and violent oppression of women for centuries, but if you’re a perfectly well-meaning 55-year-old white men these days that isn’t directly your fault.

You only have to read some of the animosity and misandry on this site to see the hatred that’s directed at them.

Would you want that for your son, or brother or father who’s done nothing wrong but inherited a patriarchy they didn’t create?

I was agreeing with you actually 😉
. I personally think it’s a huge thing and at the root of many of society ‘s problems so for me one of things I really care about.

I’ve no doubt that it disproportionate the affects men but as I said there is reason for that
We are very aware, familiar and know A great deal of our rough Sleepers and most of them have been housed by the council at some stage and are out on the street due to their behaviour.
Not to say that the system doesn’t let people down. It absolutely does releasing them out of rehab straight back into the same scenarios, never gonna end well and that does happen.
But equally goes back to personal responsibility.
They are given money and if they wanted to relocate themselves out of rehab, they could jump on a train and go somewhere else
Typically, they don’t and the dealers catch hold of them the same day as they are discharged

It’s humans who happen to be men starting wars. Not all human’s are the same. Not all men are guilty for what some men have done just as not all women are guilty for what some women have done. In any case in democratic countries those leaders waging war were elected by both. men and women.

That’s really great to hear .
It reminds me of looking for a sleeping bag and asking my kids if they’d seen it and my son saying oups forgot to tell you..I took it and gave it to a homeless man💕 ( proof that today’s men are not so bad 😉) I live in a capital city so maybe things are different here but it seems to be a majority of men that are sleeping rough.

and your point is what? that i'm not solving the homelessness issue?
I didn't say it wasn't true. I haven't even said i'm not contributing to charities to help alleviate that (I do)

I just can't care about it in the same way i care about other issues.

so?
i am all in favour of equal conscription to appropriate roles.
but it doesn't mean that it isn't men starting all the wars. And one single female exception (Thatcher) proves only that (as we know) she tried to out testosterone all the men around her.

I can only speak for our district council, but no if we find them they are offered help. There isn’t a limit to the support that’s available. Most nights of the week we have a surplus of spaces rather than turning anybody away.

Providing they follow the rules behave themselves and reach out before it shuts. Again all down to them taking personal responsibility for their situation. Which is where it falls apart.

Even then the police have been known to go out and collected sleeping bags from their own homes to give to these men to keep them warm and dry.

Problem with that is in my experience- most men only care about women’s problems enough to make any sort of effort to fix it, when they personally are effected or they think it will benefit them (eg politicians).

Yet women are expected to not just be aware of men’s issues but do something about it. Men need to fix their own problems, mainly because they created them in the first place.

Yes they are more vulnerable generally and should be absolutely sheltered to protect them . I would wager though that that means that men come second when there is limited space and are more likely to end up spending more than one night outside with all that entails in the possible spiral downhill

Right so you never get any men asking for help as soon as they are made homeless?

Well, they haven’t for the last 500 years so I’m sure we’ll manage

Even men don’t care about men, if they did they would do what women have done for each other and create support group, charities and set up initiatives which help vulnerable or needy men, help and support other men and young boys, promote independence and self improvement, give young boys good role models to look up to, call out bad behaviour etc. They only bleat on about male issues to blame women and detract from our problems, which are by and large caused by them.

They don’t do a single thing to actually help each other, they blame women for their own awful behaviour and expect us to cater to them and fix their so called problems, which are pretty much all caused by the patriarchy anyway, the main one being they’re losing their male privilege.

So no, I don’t care about men at all.

Thats fine, as long as you don't expect men to care about womens problems.

Pitting the sexes against each other is stupid and not helpful for anyone. Well done OP.

But homeless women are more vulnerable without a shadow with a doubt the only murderer of a homeless person we’ve ever had in the West Midlands was a pregnant female during the pandemic.

No, not at all because most women will not allow the first night to happen
They will reach out before it gets to that point and this is a game what we find a lot
The men wait for the emergency services to find them and the women are proactive If all things are equal, i.e. no drugs and alcohol or violence

I wasn’t planning on to, everyone knows that’s a fringe site though. You expect it

Or nearly every social media platform.
Or any women’s social media page that is talking about being happily single / being a feminist or just existing.
Or any of the many many popular podcast set up entirely to produce hate against women.
Or the many famous public speakers who make their entire career out of being utterly vile about women.

Yeah it’s the angry women on Mumsnet that are causing societal degradation.

Yes I think the no second night on the street is an excellent idea as more than that and people obviously often end up drinking and taking drugs and going generally down hill. Wouldn’t we all ? If there’s only limited emergency places available and both men and women in similar situations needing them I imagine women are sheltered first ? As they would be generally more vulnerable ?