To find it hard to care about men's issues

And is cheating morally wrong? 😅😅😅😅

Agree. Being very talented doesn’t make one morally good.

My son decided to have some counselling about some dating problems. He then came to the conclusion that it has something to do with me his mother! Well I soon put him straight and said it was his fault not mine. He fell out with his last girlfriend because she was too needy. When I asked what he meant by that it was because she asked him to walk her to the toilets in the dark when they went clamping!

No I couldn’t care less, especially about the “male loneliness epidemic”. Brought it on themselves. They really don’t like it when they’re saying how many men commit suicide when you point out that woman attempt it more often. Takes away from the narrative that men struggle more than women.

as for men’s sheds and men’s cafes being advertised EVERYWHERE and then them saying women don’t need that sort of provision. As if we’re all popping out for a coffee with our girlfriends to chat about suicidal ideation during a shopping trip. Lighthearted isn’t it? Easy for us to chat about it to all and sundry. Winds me right up.

I agree it’s not all men. I think men are more variable in general. At the very top of things they’ve been responsible for most technological progress that has lifted us from penury. At the bottom they are invariably the ones causing misery and death, as a permanent tax to be paid.

(I suspect only half of that view will win many fans on MN!)

obviously they are going to rise above it as women always have had to but the fact that these stupid people feel they have any kind of right to express themselves on the subject is staggering.

An intelligent strong woman is quite capable of rising to management positions and running companies in today’s western eorld. Are you suggesting that they be swayed away from that because men tell them to be home makers? That makes woman sound easily influenced and weak when they are not. We all make our choices and maybe ( this would be my case) many women prefer life balance, so don’t want to work all the hours of the sun in a stressful job. Women have agency and can choose these days . We’re not living in the 1950s.

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misandry
/mɪˈsandri/
noun
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men (i.e. the male sex)

There is clear contempt and dislike of men all over this thread, and on the feminism board here. It is a well known phenomenon that men are disliked by many posters on Mumsnet, it is regularly pointed out on numerous threads. The fact that this misandry is being dismissed as not misandry but feminism demonstrates the overlap. I know many reasonable women who believe in equality for all but don't want to be labelled as feminists because many of the loud feminists are very open misandrists and are horrible even to other women who don't agree with their views. Unfortunately the few angry loud ones make more reasonable people not want to be associated with the label of feminist.

No, I won't be copying and pasting endless posts to provide you with enough evidence for you to agree that it is "many" as it is a total waste of my time. If you deny there is clear contempt for men on this thread, as you are doing, you simply don't want to see it and me wasting a few hours won't change that. However, it is clear to other posters as quite a few have pointed it out, they have clearly noticed what you are trying to deny.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter that you are trying to label everyone who recognises misandry here a misogynist who doesn't understand feminism. It is being called out by several posters, none of them clear misogynists. People reading the thread will see that and will know that actually they aren't misogynists for not agreeing with some of the vile statements made here and that is the important thing, not whether you change your mind or not.

Again, when an educated intelligent woman climbs the corporate ladder. And doesn’t conform to society’s versions of success by marrying and having children that’s used by men to deter other females from following the same path.

This! This is the current discourse at the moment. The whole lonely crazy cat woman trope. Men trying to convince women they should have children and be home makers, not because they want women to have that choice and support them, but because they want to trap women into a life where it’s easier to control them.

But can you and @YourBreezyBiscuit at least accept that there are so many really basic things that men could change to make themselves better which would ease the 'male loneliness epidemic'? You are so busy defending them that you do not seem to want to acknowledge that we live in a different world now - and women have adapted, while men have not. Why is that? Why can they not accept that women no longer depend on them financially and that therefore the balance in relationships has changed?

Oppenheimer was a cheating husband, Charles Dickens abandoned his wife and his 10 children
Even though so-called good ones don’t seem to be able to manage to tick every box

SFW?

Interesting. Can you tell me more about this? What does it mean-how are you defining misandry? How are you backing up that “many”?

No if you read back the comments here some are just hateful

At the very top of things they’ve been responsible for most technological progress that has lifted us from penury

Only because women weren’t allowed or were trapped in home carer roles while men were free to think explore and invent.

Nice strawman, but nobody is saying that. What we are saying is that men's problems are largely of their own making and in many ways relatively easy to fix with minor changes in behaviour. So why don't men make those changes then? Do only women have to take personal responsibility?

At the very top of things they’ve been responsible for most technological progress that has lifted us from penury

Only because women weren’t allowed or were trapped in home carer roles while men were free to think explore and invent.

I agree it’s not all men. I think men are more variable in general. At the very top of things they’ve been responsible for most technological progress that has lifted us from penury. At the bottom they are invariably the ones causing misery and death, as a permanent tax to be paid.

(I suspect only half of that view will win many fans on MN!)