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To find it hard to care about men's issues

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Parsleyforme · 09/01/2026 19:22

Men's cancer, diseases and suicide I do care about, but I am really struggling to care about the other modern problems of modern men.

My brother says that the modern men of today are very confused about who they should be and how they should act and that is giving them all identity crises and/or midlife crises, depending on their ages. Things like they get told that men as a whole are bad, they don't know who they are as a man anymore, they don't know how much they should show their feelings, they feel guilt even if they're a good man, they don't know what they're supposed to bring to relationships anymore etc. etc.

I'm finding it quite hard work enough to be a woman without having to worry about or really hear about men's issues as well. And I'm actually quite frustrated that I'm being expected to provide a understanding and sympathetic ear. I went to a girl's school and when I left Barbieland I had to pretty quickly catch on that lotss of men are creeps and women aren't actually at the top of any industry or even their own relationships. It actually angers me a bit that I'm expected to feel something for the men who are feeling unsettled when all we've really managed is to get them to stop wolf-whistling at us or sacking us if we get pregnant.

AIBU to feel like this? WIBU to say I don't really have the bandwidth (read:patience) for this and maybe he should talk to some men who can empathise rather than a woman?

OP posts:
Barbarella73 · 09/01/2026 21:44

Meadowfinch · 09/01/2026 20:08

I have a son, of course I care. I spend a lot of time reassuring my ds that he is a kind, decent, generous hearted young man who has a wonderful life ahead of him.

But I have little patience with men's complaining that they don't know what is expected of them. It's simple - the same as everyone else -

work hard
do their fair share of the drudgery
pay their fair share of the cost
communicate
be honest, even if not kind

It's really not difficult

I’d feel a lot more sympathy for men if they focused on finding solutions to the issues they say they are experiencing, rather than blaming others. I think this response nails it.

InOverMyHead84 · 09/01/2026 21:33

RaininSummer · 09/01/2026 21:04

Surely good men know they are good men so no need to feel guilty or sad. The rest could consider improving.

Do all good women know they are?

RaininSummer · 09/01/2026 21:04

Surely good men know they are good men so no need to feel guilty or sad. The rest could consider improving.

Dgll · 09/01/2026 21:00

I care about all people.

mindutopia · 09/01/2026 20:57

I care about issues that affect all decent people. I definitely don’t think it’s easy being a man. There is very little outlet for anything and it’s so normalised as a man to not seek support.

I’m involved in 2 support networks, one as a sober person and the other as someone living with cancer. Of the 100+ people I’ve met through both of those communities, I’ve met 1 man who turned up seeking support. Thankfully, he had the personality to take it in his stride that he was the only man amongst us. I keep thinking how much I’ve benefited from both of these groups. Where are all the men? They must be out there just shouldering through hanging onto their jobs and living with a disease that’s likely going to kill them, with no one to talk to.

Beyond that, I don’t find it particularly hard being a woman. On the contrary, I went to an all girls school and felt like it equipped me with a lot of confidence and resilience for navigating the big wide world. I’ve had a lot more options in life as a woman that I don’t think my Dh has had as a man. I can be a lot more things, try on different roles, pop in and out of work and caregiving without anyone raising an eyebrow. I think that’s made my life certainly easier than his. And I had a lot more support while I did it.

Kalimeras · 09/01/2026 20:53

TashieWoo · 09/01/2026 20:32

YABU - looking at it bluntly men’s issues are a far more serious concern. Suicide rates are shocking, and wolf whistling and objectification is rather small fry in comparison.

More women than men attempt suicide. Try again.

Namechangetheyarewatching · 09/01/2026 20:52

MissyB1 · 09/01/2026 20:39

Who is teaching them that? Really? How about society? Even on mumsnet boys are considered bad, take a look at the gender disappointment threads, boys are viewed negatively even before they are born!

So much so that they are left to die, or are aborted if found to be bold.

No didn't think so..

Not like girls then

FlyingApple · 09/01/2026 20:44

I care about my husband and sons.

5128gap · 09/01/2026 20:43

TashieWoo · 09/01/2026 20:32

YABU - looking at it bluntly men’s issues are a far more serious concern. Suicide rates are shocking, and wolf whistling and objectification is rather small fry in comparison.

Well it certainly sounds that way if you deliberately select the most serious men's issue and compare it to wolf whistling.
However if we take the issue of men 'no longer understanding their role' the example in the OP, and compare it to the stats for rape and femicide, then things look rather different, don't they?

GoatBusted · 09/01/2026 20:42

I have sons, brothers, a father, male colleagues, and I mostly see men reaping what they sow and find it frustrating to watch.

There is plenty of info out there to do better without getting sucked into the likes of Tate.

Women talk all the time now about how men can be better partners, husbands, fathers and friends, but men generally don’t listen (perhaps because they are women?). Those who do listen fall into one of two categories - the genuinely decent men or the men using an opportunity to prey on women.

Parents have limited input on their sons once they go to high school and independently form friendships. I know too many parents who feel they’ve raised their sons right and they unexpectedly go off the rails at 14+.

The truly awful thing is that the world is set up by men and for men, and they’re failing at it. Women are proving to be more adaptable and are often outperforming men in most areas that don’t require brute strength, and I think men know this. They don’t seem able to adapt to this though and seem bitter and emasculated.

Andy’s Man Club - an organisation for men that’s largely facilitated by women. They can’t even do that on their own. Pathetic. Reliant on women but simultaneously pissed off at them.

So yeah, men, not a fan.

MissyB1 · 09/01/2026 20:39

Parsleyforme · 09/01/2026 19:57

This is one of his arguments but is this actually true? Who is teaching them that? While we expect better from our kids than the last generation, mums are not all misandrists passing this on to their toddlers or teens.

The men I know seem to have very weak and low quality friendships and I think this will probably carry on for younger generations due to increased screen time. But I don’t feel that’s to do with gender equilibrium

Who is teaching them that? Really? How about society? Even on mumsnet boys are considered bad, take a look at the gender disappointment threads, boys are viewed negatively even before they are born!

Parsleyforme · 09/01/2026 20:35

I fundraise for International Men's Day (which no men I know had ever heard of) and men definitely don’t get enough support for some serious issues (such as DV and SA). But the narrative of “women have it easier now and that’s hard for men because they don’t know their place” I find really frustrating

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Bushmillsbabe · 09/01/2026 20:35

Brefugee · 09/01/2026 19:24

i nod and make sympathetic noises, but i invest as much interest/energy in men's issues as the person i'm talking to invests in women's issues.

So if my DH, plenty of energy and interest. Average man on the internet? zip

Yep, absolutely this. Men are not some homogenous group. Some show great consideration for women, and others in general. Some are selfish arses who just want to be mummied.
Just as some women are fantastic advocates, and some perpetuate men's learned helplessness. Of course the men remain ultimately to blame for their actions, but some women are quite frustrating.

Iceshine · 09/01/2026 20:33

I dont care about anyone but me.

RememberBeKindWithKaren · 09/01/2026 20:32

Men are people and I'm about as concerned about men's issues as I am about women's issues. I think it probably is tough for young men, with traditional male roles being less the norm. Not that it's easy for young women either. So yes, I am concerned for men's issues.

TashieWoo · 09/01/2026 20:32

YABU - looking at it bluntly men’s issues are a far more serious concern. Suicide rates are shocking, and wolf whistling and objectification is rather small fry in comparison.

Parsleyforme · 09/01/2026 20:28

I guess maybe it’s relevant that I don’t have any sons and my brother is 41 so being a man is not new to him

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5128gap · 09/01/2026 20:27

I care only in as much as if they get very invested in this self pity then they will make life even more difficult for women. Other than that....no. No interest.

CatamaranViper · 09/01/2026 20:27

I have a son, a husband, a dad, a father in law, brothers in law, uncles, cousins, male friends all of whom I care very much for. I do indeed care about male issues in the same way I hope men care about female issues, and the ones I am close with certainly do.

Random colleague at work...no I'm not going to offer them an ear to whing at, but I'll still call out when people show bad behaviour to either sex.

Catapultaway · 09/01/2026 20:22

Only peoples issues i really care about are those people close to me and i'm assuming you're close to your brother.
I dont really find it that difficlult being a woman, just like most men probably dont find it difficult being a man.

Alpacajigsaw · 09/01/2026 20:22

Up to you, but I’ve got 2 sons so yes I am interested

reversegear · 09/01/2026 20:21

Op I just saw a man on my Instagram feed showing off his hospital stay with appendicitis and the surgery pics after with his little stickers, saying how life side swiped him all the drama.. my reaction in my own head was seriously mate seriously, when women have to wait decades for endo surgery, they have c-sections etc and your standing there in your private hospital showing off some proxy stickies. (Just showing off abs)

it made me laugh as I read you post and thought you know what, that’s a bit of me, I mean yes it’s scary but my lord, I’m seriously in a man hate phase of my life.

HopSpringsEternal · 09/01/2026 20:20

Many of my favourite people are men. I don't think they are feeling what your brother says. But they are not dicks and can see that it is still a man's world.

AnneLovesGilbert · 09/01/2026 20:17

I don’t feel the same. I have a step son, a son, brothers and many wonderful male friends and of course I care about the things that are difficult for boys and men. As I expect them to care about the things that women find hard.

Bringing boys up feels much more complicated than girls, I have both. If you ask what’s good about being a man it’s hard to think of things that aren’t traditionally things women are good at. And if you do you have to acknowledge women can do all of those things as well as men and I find that tricky to navigate. My little boy tells me he’s not a baby but a big boy and he beams with pride and I wonder what that means to him.

FOJN · 09/01/2026 20:14

The world has changed, women have adapted. Men are still looking to other men to give them direction because they appear to lack the initiative to redefine their own role in the modern world. They are willing victims of the patriarchy because they know they still benefit from it.

The self pitying bleating about feeling like they're blamed for everything is pure manipulation. Men have always cared more about what other men think of them than what women think of them, they simply want us to agree "not all men" and STFU. It's not all men and not always men but it's mostly men and usually men .

Men are at higher risk for many adverse experiences (often at the hands of other men) and yet few of them try to improve their lot and it pisses them off that women are not similarly apathetic.

Male loneliness epidemic? Some of them are not nearly lonely enough.