To find it hard to care about men's issues

About time men come down from their high horse. My workplace gives confidence coachings exclusively for women. Fuck this shit. Women once again being told they need to be different. Cry me a river about a man's bruised ego and actually having to reflect.

All the men in my life are crap. All cheaters, dad's that don't pull their weight, abusive, negligent ....

So no.

Not really.

I sort of get this. I have young girls and a few times I've heard mums of boys complaining that now there's a bit more effort to have strong female characters in things, there's no male characters for their boys to look up to.
I think that's absolutely ridiculous because I think it's still the case that like only 30% of characters in films and TV are female.

Very soon (if my experience of how teh education system does things) schools will be doing so.

If done the way that some on here would like it done it will be a massive own goal and drive young boys in to the arms of those that are (quite rightly) disliked on here. (tate etc.)

There’s never been a a woman as a president in France yet their maternal health care is execellent and women have easy acces to gynecologists. There have actually been female prime ministers in the UK …

To care isn’t a finite pie. Not for me anyway.

Yes, I do care that they can reconcile their identity with decency and in the context of sexism and misogyny. As soon as everyone is comfortable in their own skins with awareness to others, the world will be a little bit of a better place.

Only good can come of raised consciousness.

I care about male issues as I love my 2 DS's and my DH.

I would like men to thrive just as much as I would like women to

I care about humans as a whole , isn’t the point of equality just that? To see people as a person and not as a sex? And I have always felt lucky and happy to be a woman.

I care about humans as a whole , isn’t the point of equality just that? To see people as a person and not as a sex? And I have always felt lucky and happy to be a woman.

I care about humans as a whole , isn’t the point of equality just that? To see people as a person and not as a sex? And I have always felt lucky and happy to be a woman.

So, those who do not know a lot about something can be overconfident, whereas those who do know a lot can be less confident and self critical.

Apply it here, people who may not be behaving in a good way believe they are through ignorance. Those who do behave in a good way may be critical because they are not getting it completely right, leaving their self worth worse then people who are worse then them.

Good people will not always recognise their worth.

I don’t think this is a YABU/YANBU issue.

Terry Pratchett wrote, “evil begins when you begin to treat people as things”.

Objectification, literally treating women as objects, is the tip of the wedge that allows rape, domestic violence and abuse. It is the gateway drug. So no, I don’t think it’s small fry.

The former is what men do to themselves = important.
The latter is what they do to women = not so much.

All of this is down the men's behaviour. They don't have to do any of it.
Their choice.
Yet it's the women who suffer.

No not heard of that.

No, I don't care about adult men's issues.

Women are being quite clear about what is necessary to be seen as a suitable partner and parent. If men WANT those things, they need to give more. And I am not for a second talking about money. Because women, on the whole, are quite happy to go it alone if men don't shape up.

I DO care about boys. I want us to do as much as we can to help the next generation or two be better to even things up.

But adult men? They're ADULTS and I didn't see many of them helping women towards equality. They're reaping what they sowed, being sexist, selfish and obsessed with their cocks.

Have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect at all?

I care about men’s issues, because I care about people. And have worked for a lot of my life in areas where men are over represented. Like offending. Because I enjoy helping and the work is great for me.

I will not entertain the idea that men’s issues are somehow the fault of, and the responsibility of, women. That gets to Straight Pride and White Lives Matter levels of stupid. Men are lonely because they choose to prioritise things that aren’t social. They don’t typically make friends as adults. They often rely on their female partners to do all the heavy lifting (gifts, invitations, hosting, calling etc.) and then complain if they don’t have a woman to do it for them. They use football or cycling in lieu of emotional and meaningful conversation. They don’t go to the doctor. That’s not women’s issue to solve.

They could decide to change that. Many men are changing that. We’re going for a walk/coffee with DH’s new gym buddy and his DH soon. But would a lot of straight, adult men make friends with a gay bloke in the gym? No, they wouldn’t. DH buys his own family gifts and goes to the doctor when he needs to. DH also doesn’t do things like I’ve seen on SM with mean little vignettes about how shit women are, how crap it is to have girls not boys, how feminists are shit, how we should all shut up and make a sandwich/give them a BJ.

DD won’t touch the straight teen boys in her school with a bargepole because many of them are already in that awful space of toxic masculinity. Which is terrible for them, her, and society. It’s so sad to see another generation.

If only men had control of the resources which could be allocated to help or access to social media so they could raise awareness and support each other. Oh wait.....

If men won't take these issues seriously what do you expect women to do about it. Perhaps if they were less interested in porn, the red pill manosphere and playing the victim they might be able to do something productive about it.

You can bet that if women had the kind of political power that men do we'd have better gynae and maternity care.

Oh well that makes it ok then 🙄

I like to think I treat everyone as an individual. The problem for a lot of men is they've been brought up to think they're superior to women and when they encounter the real world they find they're not.
I brought up a daughter and a son. My DD is a very bright intelligent woman and my DS is equally bright and appreciates his sister and me. As a man he is also very respectful to his partner and values her intelligence and abilities.
It's easy for less able men to blame women for their own shortcomings although I do think men like this are a minority. They had it too good for far too long.

There is a wide spectrum of attempts though,
from taking 5 paracetamol to far more serious. A lot never mean to actually end their lives. Women are far less likely to use violent methods with a more guaranteed outcome and so the statistics for actual deaths from suicide are more important and need to be recognised as such.

He’s your brother, trying to talk to you, his sister, not just a random man!
I find your scathing attitude quite toxic - feels like a race to the bottom where man aren’t allowed to have issues too.

I imagine both sexes have a sense of whether they are a good person or a bit of a shit bag.

Is your brother Andrew Tate? That's his persistant and irritating whine isn't it?