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To have spent most of the day in tears over trees

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NoMoreTrees · 09/01/2026 16:56

We moved into this house just shy of a year ago and I regretted it almost instantly. I absolutely hate it here, it has pretty much ruined my life and for the last few months my mental health has been in tatters and I’ve had some very, very dark days.

One thing I did like about the house though was that at the end of the garden, on the other side of the fence were some beautiful tall trees. Dozens of trees with hundreds of birds that you can hear singing all year round, an owl, squirrels and other wildlife. The trees ran the entire length of our row of houses and a bit further.

On the other side of the trees is a small field, and while we were having surveys etc done they brought up a planning application for a small development of 9 houses in that field, which had been rejected by the water company.

Well I’m sure you know where this is going… obviously the water company were offered more money changed their minds because before the sun was even up this morning a bunch of men in hi viz and hard hats rocked up with a chainsaw, a bulldozer and a woodchipper and one by one started tearing all the trees down. By the time they had downed tools and fucked off there was only one tree left standing at the end of our garden and one or two surviving further down… for now at least.

I just can’t stop crying. I can’t even bring myself to look out of the windows at the back of the house. All those beautiful trees, all those birds, all that wildlife, gone. It was one of the very, very few things that made living here tolerable, and now instead of trees and birdsong, there is going to be a building site. Just when I thought I couldn’t fucking hate it here more.

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OhDear111 · 24/01/2026 19:29

@NoMoreTrees As I said, leylandii are considered a problem and worthless for wildlife. The development should have a better scheme for its landscape and it should support plenty of wildlife.

The RSPB has a list of recommended native trees for small to large gardens. I would pick from this list as they believe they support our wildlife best. Imported trees aren’t always the best. Berries and bark to support insects are good attributes for trees.

Genevieva · 23/01/2026 00:01

NoMoreTrees · 09/01/2026 22:19

According to the most recent planning application “There will be a small number of trees which will be lost as a result of the development and there will be a number of new trees added. The trees lost are not considered to be of significant value (in particular the Leyland Cypress trees).”

Small number?!

The planning drawing appears to show a thick wooded strip between the end of your garden and the gardens of the new houses. This is quite common for the creation of privacy. I would question what they have done and ask what they will be planting to replace the conifers.

Separately, you can buy quite large trees. Put one towards the back of your garden, but away from the boundary so it can form a good canopy without risk of being pruned by neighbours. This would give you complete control. Something deciduous like a maple or gleditsia would give you colour interest. I’d also plant some low maintenance shrubs like hydrangeas. Little songbirds love hiding in these. Lastly, some spring bulbs that pop up every year without any maintenance. You’d very quickly create a little haven that you love to be in.

OhDear111 · 22/01/2026 23:42

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat Well they have gone and she needs a planting plan for her garden. It’s long so she won’t see a huge amount - but she needs to look at the plans for environmental planting and landscaping. They should be available. Some housing has very big grass and marsh areas for water retention. The houses might not be adjacent to her garden at all.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/01/2026 14:43

OhDear111 · 22/01/2026 13:26

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat No one ever has to make that choice though. Most people cannot control them and they throw huge shadows over gardens. This causes moss and often nothing grows under them either. There’s always wonderful trees anyone can plant for interest, shade and wildlife. I would also suggest not huge field trees either.

If there is a choice to be made though.

OP is faced with a bare view and no screen from a potential building site.

In her case I'd rather have the existing leylandii.
When planting, then yes, a variety of native trees would be much better.

OhDear111 · 22/01/2026 13:26

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat No one ever has to make that choice though. Most people cannot control them and they throw huge shadows over gardens. This causes moss and often nothing grows under them either. There’s always wonderful trees anyone can plant for interest, shade and wildlife. I would also suggest not huge field trees either.

GettingBoredNow · 22/01/2026 13:20

NoMoreTrees · 19/01/2026 15:39

Well they’ve been back every day since and I guess they thought they’d been too generous with what they left behind before… the gorgeous big conifer in the corner has been slowly torn limb from limb and the small amount of shrubbery between the end of the two trees left at the end of our garden has been taken today too.

How are you getting on with planting saplings the end of your garden @NoMoreTrees ?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 22/01/2026 12:36

While I understand the dislike of leylandii, I think I'd rather have them than no trees at all.

OhDear111 · 21/01/2026 21:41

What person with any knowledge of trees truly plants leylandii when broad leaf native trees are available? It’s madness. They actually should be banned and since when is planting nuisance trees kind to your neighbours? It’s totally selfish. It’s worse than cutting them down in the first place. Just because you can plant them, it doesn’t mean you should. She needs to understand the issues and plant alternative broad leaf trees and should never be encouraged to plant leylandii under any circumstances.

ElizabethsTailor · 21/01/2026 21:32

OhDear111 · 21/01/2026 14:14

@ElizabethsTailor Did you see the picture of OP’s garden? There is NO WAY leylandii should be planted there! Her neighbours would be furious. Rightly so. Deciduous small garden trees would be better and leylandii thugs are not suitable at all.

OP is really upset at the leylandii just behind her back fence being removed. She is perfectly entitled to replace it with one in her own garden if she really wants to.

Would I do it? No.

I (and many others) have given her advice about other options, particularly around native trees.

But the bottom line is that it is her garden and she should do whatever makes her happy, even if us randoms on the internet would go a different direction.

OhDear111 · 21/01/2026 14:14

@ElizabethsTailor Did you see the picture of OP’s garden? There is NO WAY leylandii should be planted there! Her neighbours would be furious. Rightly so. Deciduous small garden trees would be better and leylandii thugs are not suitable at all.

TheClocksFast · 20/01/2026 21:26

REALLY sorry to hear this OP. That is so sad.

ElizabethsTailor · 20/01/2026 21:19

NoMoreTrees · 19/01/2026 15:39

Well they’ve been back every day since and I guess they thought they’d been too generous with what they left behind before… the gorgeous big conifer in the corner has been slowly torn limb from limb and the small amount of shrubbery between the end of the two trees left at the end of our garden has been taken today too.

I’m sorry you are finding it so upsetting. The good news is that they are Leyland Cyprus (leylandii) cheep and incredibly fast growing, which is why they are used for this kind of windbreak/temporary screening. So if you really do like them you could plant one or more in your own garden and they will shoot up in no time.

Be careful if you do plant them though because they tend to out-compete other planting.

UncannyFanny · 20/01/2026 20:58

NoMoreTrees · 19/01/2026 15:39

Well they’ve been back every day since and I guess they thought they’d been too generous with what they left behind before… the gorgeous big conifer in the corner has been slowly torn limb from limb and the small amount of shrubbery between the end of the two trees left at the end of our garden has been taken today too.

Gorgeous conifer? I’d be over the moon to see the back of that dreadful thing. What a delightful open aspect you now have. I could work wonders with a lovely open space like that. I’m already thinking about all the vegetables and beautiful flowering trees and shrubs that would love your garden now it’s so open and sunny. That would be a wildlife paradise in no time. You see? It’s all about perspective.

UnhappyHobbit · 19/01/2026 17:25

I’d be absolutely devestated. Sorry OP. I do hope you can move if that’s what you would really like to do.

GAJLY · 19/01/2026 17:06

That’s so sad to see 😭 cutting down all those lovely trees 🌲

NoMoreTrees · 19/01/2026 15:39

Well they’ve been back every day since and I guess they thought they’d been too generous with what they left behind before… the gorgeous big conifer in the corner has been slowly torn limb from limb and the small amount of shrubbery between the end of the two trees left at the end of our garden has been taken today too.

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ScrollingLeaves · 13/01/2026 22:56

Another thing is to get rid of stamp duty so people don’t find it ridiculous to move when they don’t need a family house anymo; or want to move to another area where there is more housing or a job they want.

Also make rail fares lower so people can live in cheaper areas of without effectively being in a different country.

As someone said too, there can be too many houses built that people cannot afford the mortgages for.

All houses should be sustainable if they are going to wreck the countryside for them,
but many are junk.

Where I live some of the most egregious destructions of woodland and beautiful areas have been for millionaire houses.

Houses have been bought up, gutted and wrecked but made into luxury flats for rent, or for sale for millions to buy, by foreign owned companies.

Vast majority of people do not pay any stamp duty and if they do, its relatively low.
On an averaged priced house, its £4k & surely, if Stamp duty removed, all that would happen is sellers would increase prices?

Rail fares have been frozen, first time ever i think but need to far lower BUT we don't want tax rises.....

Yes building regs are shite and not enforced, cuts have meant that inspectors are small in number and photos will be good enough, with random visits.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/01/2026 22:56

OhDear111 · 13/01/2026 20:27

@ScrollingLeaves I think Labour are looking at relaxing the scope of employment zones. John Lewis wanted to convert old stores to housing and in many areas there is too much retail space. It certainly needs looking at but many SE towns still have quite bouyant high streets.

Another thing is to get rid of stamp duty so people don’t find it ridiculous to move when they don’t need a family house anymo; or want to move to another area where there is more housing or a job they want.

Also make rail fares lower so people can live in cheaper areas of without effectively being in a different country.

As someone said too, there can be too many houses built that people cannot afford the mortgages for.

All houses should be sustainable if they are going to wreck the countryside for them,
but many are junk.

Where I live some of the most egregious destructions of woodland and beautiful areas have been for millionaire houses.

Houses have been bought up, gutted and wrecked but made into luxury flats for rent, or for sale for millions to buy, by foreign owned companies.

Menier · 13/01/2026 20:28

Hi Op, I'd be very upset too, however as people have said it's an opportunity to plant some trees in your garden and see them grow and flourish.
The really good news is it's bare root season right now so you'll be able to pick up some whips ( very young trees) for an excellent price and easily plant them now which is the perfect time.
Do some research and get some wildlife friendly, native, garden suitable trees.
You'll be amazed at how quickly they grow.

OhDear111 · 13/01/2026 20:27

@ScrollingLeaves I think Labour are looking at relaxing the scope of employment zones. John Lewis wanted to convert old stores to housing and in many areas there is too much retail space. It certainly needs looking at but many SE towns still have quite bouyant high streets.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/01/2026 20:17

KeepPumping · 13/01/2026 14:04

The government could buy up all the empty new-builds to cope with the "demand" ? China has empty tower blocks all over don"t they, that is why they are in the grip of a massive property crash. The "not enough houses" meme was always only about getting people into mortgage debt.

https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/new-build-sales-fall-62-as-mortgage-market-changes-improve-access-for-buyers.html

Some cities are full of empty shops and other buildings that could be converted.

OhDear111 · 13/01/2026 20:15

@KeepPumping What empty new builds? In the SE??? None I know of.

Houses are needed where people want to live and work. Just buying a few homes up doesn’t get over land shortages in the SE and it’s that which is causing a lack of houses. No doubt if people wanted cheap housing and could maintain a good job in an area where houses are cheap, they would go there. Most people don’t want to though.

People have wanted to buy homes for decades! It was seen as something aspirational. It was seen as a good thing as you didn’t pay rent for life and acquired an asset. The mistake was selling off council houses and Labour should have stopped that in 1997.

KeepPumping · 13/01/2026 14:04

OhDear111 · 13/01/2026 00:11

@5MinuteArgument So where do you expect your dc or others to live then? In high rise blocks like China?

The government could buy up all the empty new-builds to cope with the "demand" ? China has empty tower blocks all over don"t they, that is why they are in the grip of a massive property crash. The "not enough houses" meme was always only about getting people into mortgage debt.

https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/new-build-sales-fall-62-as-mortgage-market-changes-improve-access-for-buyers.html

New-build sales fall 62% as mortgage market changes improve access for buyers

Prices have increased 8.1% over the past 12 months, with the price of a typical new home now costing 30.5% more than existing properties.

https://www.propertyreporter.co.uk/new-build-sales-fall-62-as-mortgage-market-changes-improve-access-for-buyers.html

5MinuteArgument · 13/01/2026 09:16

OhDear111 · 13/01/2026 00:11

@5MinuteArgument So where do you expect your dc or others to live then? In high rise blocks like China?

Well, there are millions of empty properties that could be repurposed if we had more control over property developers so they didn't just bulldoze prime land because it's easier for them.

Also we could get our own people working, especially almost a million NEETS instead of bringing loads of people from abroad all of whom need housing.

We must try to preserve as much green space as possible, especially in and around towns and cities, for the sake of our DCs.

OhDear111 · 13/01/2026 00:11

@5MinuteArgument So where do you expect your dc or others to live then? In high rise blocks like China?