To think baby change facilities should just be for that?

If it was a mother with two 12 year olds and a toddler and they were half an hour and the place stunk because they all had a stomach upset. Would you even be talking about it. There is a loo there someone used it would you be less angry if he had a child with him or if it was a woman and baby. If so your issue is him been male and entitled and not someone else making the place smell

Yes and if someone is that impaired they would have a carer with them. Or should do. Who’s literally paid to clean poo off the ceiling if that’s what their client needs. Supermarket staff aren’t paid to do that.

If have incontinence issues, then you often have a minute or so between realising you need to go and going whether you like it or not. Unless there were infinite disabled toilets, then judging whether there were "adequate facilities" means you would have to know whether the disabled toilet was free when he got there or not. Since it sounds like you didn't rock up there until after he was in the toilet, you need to stop making judgments that you simply don't have the knowledge to make.

Toilets do get stinky, as do baby change facilities though. You can't really complain about that.

I agree that it's not fair on a cleaner or other user; but you also can't just dismiss the possibility of a physical or mental disability, just because it isn't one that you're personally experienced in.

Even if somebody didn't give a stuff for anybody else except themselves, do you think they personally would want to be in a toilet cubicle with poo smeared all around it? And would they want to touch the poo (even after lining their hands with a bit of bog roll) in order to smear it? I think the likelihood of severe SEN and/or mental health issues must be very high.

Whilst it's clearly very unpleasant for the rest of us, would you prefer to have mental agency and occasionally encounter something like this, or to be that person who has to live that very limited life every single day?

Yes, yes the man may have had a hidden disability and the disabled loo might have been occupied and he might have needed to go urgently, but realistically he was probably just an entitled shit.

None of us have any idea either way, though, do we? People are assuming the worst of him on here, without any knowledge. Even OP was trying to shame him for the fact that his poo stinks, as if that's somehow unique to him - like baby change areas somehow don't also stink if the baby has had a poonami.

He may have been a horrible entitled person and, with no other reason, decided to use the baby change deliberately to make life harder for a parent - more likely a mum. Then again, the only cubicle in the men's and/or the disabled toilet could have been out of order and/or occupied and a staff member told him to use the toilet in the baby change which, if he wasn't a father of a very young child himself, he probably wouldn't even have known contained a toilet.

People who poo on the wall and ceilings should clean up after themselves! I can't even think of what disability would cause that, when we all know its actually just disgusting people rather than a disability.

That is NOT fair on a cleaner, or anyone else to leave.

"But what if the disabled toilet is in use? Sometimes people really can’t wait. Do you really begrudge someone having a poo if they can’t hold it in?"

And if it is due to a disability then using the loo in the baby change is a reasonable adjustment anyway.

This is super annoying when you have a baby with you and need the toilet though. I hate baby changes with no toilet.

No, sounds like it was a separate baby change also with a loo in it, there are many like this, often in supermarkets and shopping centres. OP has already specified there was a separate accessible toilet facility.

I often wonder why mumsnet is frequented by people who absolutely cannot bear for mums to have facilities that make their lives even a tiny bit easier and think that everyone should just be able to suit themselves because heaven forbid women (mums) should be prioritised in any way. How dare a loo be provided in the baby change, mums with babies should just stop being demanding and hold it in until they get home 🙄.

Yes, yes the man may have had a hidden disability and the disabled loo might have been occupied and he might have needed to go urgently, but realistically he was probably just an entitled shit.

So there is a toilet in there? But you think it's specifically a toilet only for people who are also in there changing babies' nappies? Or for particularly advanced babies?

When being emptied/changed they can, and/or if not properly sealed (an easy mistake for someone getting used to having one to make, for instance).

But yes, I see she confirmed there was a toilet in there. I was giving a reason why someone may need to use a baby change even when there’s no toilet.

So you believe that people with certain disabilities should be socially housebound?

Yes, it's deeply unpleasant for the cleaners and for anybody else using the toilet after her; but don't you think that she must have been mortified and felt phenomenally embarrassed? And not just on this one occasion but maybe every single time she has to use the toilet when away from her home? Imagine having to dash out ashamed past the people in the queue every time you leave a cubicle; and although she obviously should tell the staff about it and not just leave it like that, can you imagine how that would play out for her in real life, the feeling of extreme shame at having to do that every time?

There's invariably going to be an issue or condition at play - whether physical, mentally or both. Nobody is leaving a toilet like that just for fun.

But what if a parent takes a baby in for a change and they also need an extended poo themselves, for any reason? What if a mum had emerged with a newly-changed baby but after 20 minutes, most of which was for her to settle her upset stomach - and which would also naturally leave a stink?

Indeed, anytime there's a couple in the shop, one of them could stay shopping with the baby in the trolley, whilst the other takes the empty pushchair with the hood closed over it purely to use the toilet in the baby change themselves - for privacy/shyness/other reasons - as a cover.

This man might have been scared to use the gents', as many of them might only have one cubicle - so if he knows he's going to take a long time, he could get other men who are desperate for a poo - or with a DD/DS who is too young to use urinals - banging angrily on the door. He could have rationalised that a baby in nappies is never actually desperate for the toilet, as they just do whatever they need to whenever - and there's usually a decent window before the parent has to change them.

Ultimately, you're never going to have a setup that works perfectly for everybody in every circumstance.

Yeah, they should have that kind of thing in every town with a homeless population. And it should have a laundry attached. People could get tokens from a homeless charity or through the dwp to use them?

Poor guy may have a stomach upset or a medical condition so used an available loo

Colostomy bags don’t actually smell like normal poo

But even so - OP has said there was a loo in there so he had every right to be in there anyway

Have you never had a wee with a clingy baby on your lap? Or needed to change your baby's nappy and also have a wee but the pram wouldn't fit in the normal toilets? Or had to take a toddler to the toilet at the same time as changing a baby's nappy? Lucky you.

So it’s not specifically for baby changing like you said? It’s a toilet too? Why shouldn’t he have used it?

I mean, toddler poo also stinks and going in after a recent nappy change is not nice either. It’s a toilet. They smell. Couldn’t get worked up about it.

I’ve cleaned loos for a living and encountered that. It was even spattered on the door. Like it had come out with force and rebounded. I assume they must hsve also had poo across their back.

OK, but if it was specifically a baby change, only for baby changing why was there a toilet in there?

I haven't used a baby change facility on some time now but our local Tesco for example, doesn't have a toilet in the baby changing room. It has a changing table and a sink.

So you can see why posters are asking about the toilet?? What is the purpose of the toilet??