Military conscription

Hopefully you will be briefing Parliament if it comes to a vote. The prospect of a peace deal is still pretty remote, sadly.

I’ve said the opposite of that. Ie that you and others need to be aware there is no guarantee so if troops are sent to Ukraine it could end in direct conflict with Russia.

Well if you want cast iron guarantees where war and conflicts are concerned you are bang out of luck! If only that were the case.

True.

Soldiering and policing are not really compatible. Ask anyone who served in Northern Ireland.

I wondered how you ended up on the other thread given your posts on this one.

Of course you can’t get a cast iron guarantee, that’s the issue.

Exactly. The argument seems to be we should only provide peace-keeping forces if there is a cast iron guarantee that a ceasefire will hold?

And before anyone starts, peace-keeping forces won't involve conscription. The forces who do the job will have already signed up for the job.

It’s not a contentious point. If you listen to anyone on this speaking on behalf of the military they’ll say the same.

Ik you want others to go, I’m with the op those who seem keen as you do feel free. And no it doesn’t matter about age and ability, it’s all the same in the end.

Well there's no point doing anything if it doesn't go as planned then. May as well give up.

One of the 3 you are referencing is already in the armed forces, so is already signed up to fight...

There’s no point in being there if you can’t back it up should the ceasefire fail.

The UK has taken place in ceasefire operations many times in the past 50 years.

Admittedly it hasn't always been invited. But it's something that is part of regular training.

Its either " signing up" or "conscription" they arent the same thing. which are you talking about?

In the event of a war there actually will be a lot of people who will put themselves forward. They will want to defend their homes,kids and lives because that will be their instinct. The same instinct that makes you opposed to it.

It could be your children or ours but if they are adults "signing up" is a free choice.

If it is conscription we are all in the same boat so there is no "going first"

The issue that could happen is Starmer wanting troops in Ukraine in the event of a ceasefire. We’re there and that breaks, we’re in conflict with Russia then.

It can’t be some posturing photo op ‘boots on the ground’ shite. If we’re there and conflict starts, we’re in it.

In what world is he a warmongerer? He can't stand up to his own mps, let alone an enemy aggressor. His whole thing on the world stage is appeasing Trump, if in doubt give him another state visit.

Exactly my point. The " forced" people are a waste of resources really

Even without the US there's no way Russia is taking out NATO. Remember that training exercise where a £100m Swedish ultra quiet sub defeated a whole US carrier group and 'sank' the £6bn US Ronald Reagan undetected (sent a picture of it in the crosshairs basically showing they could've blasted it).

Repeated drills had the Gotland sub repeatedly penetrating the Reagen's defences (anti-sub aircraft, ships, and submarines) and sinking it - the Reagen alone being 60x the value of the Gotland. Following this the US had egg on their faces and requested to borrow the Gotland for two years to study it.

Changing it so older posters who are keen can do it sounds like a good way to get the whole electorate behind it or not.

Rather than some thinking yeh the young people who haven’t had as much life can do it instead.

Of course "he" may not always be PM.

Chamberlain (much maligned as an appeaser) was ousted in 1940 and we got Churchill who was a little less keen on appeasement than history has recorded.

Hmm. You say he is an appeaser. Others have called him a warmongerer. Hence we have this thread.

I'd say he is neither.

Obviously. But why would be do that if, as I wrote he will never introduce conscription? He will always choose appeasement.

It's axiomatic that anyone who uses the phrase "human rights lawyers" knows very little about human rights.

We are an island. We can't help it.

Well we can. But that needs effort.

And conscription can't be introduced without the agreement of Parliament. So the only thing Starmer can agree to is a bill being laid.