Military conscription

I hope all the people who are for this

They and there families will be first to sign up

I think it's easy to say that we should do this as everyone always has an excuse why it should not be them

It's easy to assume it will be someone's else family and children who will go first and they will get to continue their lives as normal

But gender, age and any other reason should not be an excuse

If you think this is a good idea, you should go first

The Ukrainians have been equipped to an increasing degree with current generation weapons for use on the battlefield (e.g. NLAW, up to date modern self propelled guns and battlefield missiles - Atacams, etc) aprons and are still receiving financial support...they aren't fighting with sticks and stones.

The Russians are using their best available equipment and soaking up massive casualty numbers....it's all turned into an old fashioned slog and a numbers game.

Yes in a NATO context NATO air would (hopefully) make a difference but if you want a template for a 21st century landware then Russia/Ukraine is it..you need armies.

Problem is maintaining a standing army if any size is very expensive.

In recent years Europe/UK governments have been increasingly unwilling or unable to spend on defence and so to stop public disquiet to some extent have been quite happy to go along with the idea that it can all be done by cyber/drone/bit of air power at a push...frankly that's delusional, but it goes down well with those that don't agree with defence spending or think their kids could be called up to fly drones from the safety of their bedrooms.

When there is a war either you stick out your chin and fight for your country or you are a problem to your country - although in WWI I think the conscientious objectors actually found a very elegant solution in which they helped humans not the war.

However, I see that Macron’s recruitment of volunteers was oversubscribed on the first day, so maybe the French will stand between us and The Worst. Vive la revolution ahem.

Women couldn't vote in World War 1. The world moves on.......

How do they treat them?

No we can't..but I think everyone now should look at the situation and assess if they want to and are able to move to a country less likely to be directly involved in a conflict with Russia (and not seriously unstable in other ways). New Zealand is one, Uruguay another.

We can't all leave our countries, and go where?

Germany invading its neighbours does not make a world war. If one country invading another made a world war, the planet would have been in a constant state of world war since time immemorial, right up to the present day.

Britain could not have joined WW2 late because there no world war already ongoing to join when it (and France) declared war on Germany in 1939.

Or immigration before it reaches this stage. Would need to be planned well in advance.

Men either needed to own property/be wealthy or undertake military service to get the vote. So arguably a lot of men had to sacrifice more to get it - PTSD, life changing injuries, etc.

If I'm not mistaken the suffragettes only wanted the vote for women who owned property so most women wouldn't have qualified.

The way I look at it, is what is the alternative? The alternative isn't being left alone by the aggressor because we don't have enough people to fight, its violence, rape, torture, repression, and mass misery. I don't want that for me or my children so fighting is the only viable option.

I thought they made them president.

And this is the current American system which has been in place for many years...

Registration for Men

Selective Service System registration is required by law. By registering, a young man remains eligible for jobs, state-based student aid and employment in most states, Federally-funded job training, and U.S. citizenship for immigrant men.

In a national emergency, Selective Service System will use the registry to provide personnel to the Department of War.

Penalties for Failing to Register

If required to register, failure to register is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or 5 years imprisonment. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the registration requirement is subject to the same penalties.

www.sss.gov/

And this is the current American system which has been in place for many years...

Registration for Men

Selective Service System registration is required by law. By registering, a young man remains eligible for jobs, state-based student aid and employment in most states, Federally-funded job training, and U.S. citizenship for immigrant men.

In a national emergency, Selective Service System will use the registry to provide personnel to the Department of War.

Penalties for Failing to Register

If required to register, failure to register is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or 5 years imprisonment. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the registration requirement is subject to the same penalties.

www.sss.gov/

Women back then not having the vote would be a fair point to not doing military conscription

It's something I did not think about

If women back then were not able to fully participate in society

But equally this does not mean that the women giving out flowers to men to shame them will get forgiveness

Apparently the child free are third on the list. Last in line for social housing but third in line for this.

I'm sure feminists will be up in arms at the suggestion that women stay at home while the men get to play the hero. 👀

Women back then not having the vote would be a fair point to not doing military conscription

It's something I did not think about

If women back then were not able to fully participate in society

But equally this does not mean that the women giving out flowers to men to shame them will get forgiveness

Women back then not having the vote would be a fair point to not doing military conscription

It's something I did not think about

If women back then were not able to fully participate in society

But equally this does not mean that the women giving out flowers to men to shame them will get forgiveness

Supporting our European allies and fulfilling our mutual agreement isn't remotely similar to Iraq and Vietnam though. You can be sure that the people who don't want to fight would mostly still want other countries to help if we were in Ukraine's position and their children were on the frontline and British women were being raped/civilians murdered etc.