Military conscription

Denmark is a NATO member, so normally I’d say that another country invading Danish territory would immediately invoke NATO’s Article 5 (attack on one is an attack on all)……but fuck if I know how that works when it’s one NATO member invading another 🫠🫠🫠🫠

apologies if this comes across as harsh. If the UK was to join the war or get invaded and was consuming ammunition at the same rate as Ukraine, and receiving the same number of killed an injured as Ukraine, the British army would last approximately 3 to 4 weeks before it ran out of soldiers and ammunition that is why conscription is necessary.

However, the army has already conducted studies and has come to the conclusion that 60% of first round eligible British conscripts would be rejected on the grounds of either being too fat, on drugs, have mental health or other health issues so on. Therefore we will burn through the useful people pretty quickly before relaxing the requirements and requiring the elderly and others to be conscripted.

Even if we had the people, the army would have to drastically cut basic training times because they would be loosing soldiers too quickly. That would mean badly trained and ineffective soldiers going into combat. They wouldn't last as long and the casualty rate would increase and we would burn through conscripts quicker.

Second the UK only has a handful of weapon and ammo factory's they couldn't keep up with the demand. Also they would be pretty high on the Russian missile target list. We would have to hope that a friendly country would sell us some ammo.

Another point worth considering is that the NHS would collapse in the first 3 weeks as it can't treat the number of injured at the level we are talking.

If we are really optimistic, the UK would last 5 months at Ukrainian consumption rates. It doesn’t look good.

The next question is in that situation would the government consider Nuclear weapons to prevent inhalation of the British people?

I wouldn’t go, my husband wouldn’t go and I can only think of one friend that would possibly rather fight than be punished.

Conscientious objectors would probably be much more common now.

What happens if the US invade Greenland? Interesting times OP. War is never the answer though. I think the having nuclear weapons is the best defence. I bet Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if they hadn't given them up.

What if ww3 broke out when someone else was PM? What if say, Badenoch was PM?

But that’s where NATO obligations come into play.
Most of those countries you mention are NATO members…..”an attack on one is an attack on all”.
If Putin invaded Poland for example, the U.K. (and every other NATO member nation) are obligated to come to their aid.

I’m ex-military and I don’t think anyone in their right mind ever WANTS conscription…..

But the shit has to have really hit the fan for it to become a thing here….as in a sophisticated, armed force has actively mobilised to invade.

Then we are left with 2 options:

• conscript soldiers and fight a war
• don’t conscript soldiers and surrender to an invading force

I wonder if any of the posters have spent any time on the social media that young people use. I don't see a situation where young people would ever agree to war except if the UK is being attacked directly. We all have so much information now to know how incompetent our governments are. All wars are about power and money primarily. Look at how much money the US oil companies made after the Iraq war. I have zero respect for any of the governments that I have experienced in my lifetime and I would no confidence in their power to make the right decision. Our sense of community has also changed and we are much more global. Would a young person who heritage is from a particular country be happy to participate in a war against that country. A war against Russia for example would mean that UK young people are killing Russian young people (not Putin). All the veterans I have ever heard have always said that war is never worth it.

I think we have as much to fear from our own government as any other leader, our country is being gradually destroyed.

No nation is going to invade the uk. If there is a threat from Russia it won’t be from an invasion, the manpower to invade and hold/run the uk isn’t there, would they take Poland, Germany, France, Italy, Finland, the Netherlands, Sweden before they reached us? How many millions of soldiers would that take? Any war would be via the destruction of our country through long range bombing, or more likely attack would be of a cyber nature, water, power, internet etc, not Russian troops landing on the coast. I don’t think conscription would happen, we are a very different people to those of 1939. There is no longer a sense of pride and duty, and what army wants thousands of conscripted men and women who don’t want to be there. We do however need to take the threats seriously and increase our spending on defence and infrastructure massively, we need as a nation to be much more self reliant and there needs to be huge support and investment for farming and energy production. Governments of all colours have buried their heads in the sand for far too long, they don’t look beyond the next election cycle and frankly it’s depressing. I’d be getting rid of the triple lock, and would freeze all increases in pensions, benefits and public sector salaries for at least the next five years and invest heavily in defence and long term sustainability. We need to stop the political infighting and the partisan politics and start working together for the benefit of the country.

To defend a home and way of life, many young, bright and capable people are leaving the UK to start a life in Australia because they can't make a home here. People will just leave rather than stay and fight

If at the end of it the working class are guaranteed council houses again, perhaps. If the politicians are going to keep telling everyone that the resources of this country is equally everyone's, regardless of where you were born, not so much. The peasants have always been forced to lay down their lives for the wealthy/powerful, lucky enough we've now woken up. I'm a first and second generation immigrant.

It is, isn’t it, the hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds,

I disagree, the forces fight where and when they are told to by Government.

To end up with the Britain we have now. 2 tier justice
Mass immigration
NHS on its knees because of poor management and lack of investment.
No manufacturing sector.
Involvement with the cap, and subsequent policies have destroyed British agriculture.

Sadly I agree with this.

No one fights for the government. They fight for their family.
If things have got so bad that our family is at risk, I hope most of us would want to defend them.

Who are we supposed to be fighting? Do we spill British blood to fight one fascist dictator while ignoring the actions of another? Trump sees the UK as an 'Islamist state', I reckon long term we have just as much to fear from him as we do Putin.

I think it's a bit rich that the government would expect the men they called racist and far right for flying the UK flag to suddenly go fight and die under it.

There is no way in Hell that I'm fighting for Starmer.

My dc would not go. I would not go. Why should the general public be dragged into the real life war games of rich old men.

Couldn’t agree more with what you said.

They've made it clear they despise me and will act against my interests

Is it? We have literal trench warfare at the edge of Europe right now, I don't see much difference