To be shocked by this government dietary advice for babies and children?

Exactly. If you start telling people they have to start making chia pudding and avocado on toast they’re going to ignore you. Advice needs to be realistic, it needs to meet the needs of the majority and it needs to include foods that are affordable and easily available.

I buy CocoPops, which my kids have in a mix of other breakfasts. We also have croissants at the weekends.

I appreciate I'm maybe more relaxed about UPFs than some, but I live in one of the most economically well off parts of the country. None of the mums I know are wheeling out salmon bagels for breakfast on the regular!

Nobody has mentioned coco pops.

Sugar has no impact on teeth, it's the bacteria which feeds of it which can cause issues, and isnt an issue if you are competent.

talk about exaggeration...

fact is fructose has the same effect, you might not like that fact but its what happens in the body

And cereals fortified with iron will be absorbed better through the vitamin c in the orange juice.

Yes, the current UPF obsession can be unhelpful.

Dietary advice is a very difficult balance to strike. It's not easy to combine good practice and the need to meet people where they are. If advice isn't considered realistic, it will be ignored and may even alienate the people it's meant to help.

Honestly it’s only something I ever see on MN and maybe TikTok. In the real world nobody is getting worked up over rice crispies and fruit juice 😂

They’re not full of sugar at all - they have 2.4G per serving and 26g of carbs in total.

Yeah but god forbid people who need to eat more food with a shelf life EVER taste anything remotely nice or sweet in their lives. Water and gruel, that's for them.

I don't understand what people mean when they say rice crispies have 'no nutrition'. A standard serving of Rice Krispies (about 30g) with 125ml of semi-skimmed milk offers around 174 calories, 6g protein, 32g carbs (with some sugar), and 2.5g fat. Is it the best mix you could find? No. Is it the equivalent of eating polystyrene? Also no. As noted, they are fortified and so have 4.2mg of iron per 30g portion, which is about half of a toddler's daily requirement. A very low proportion of toddlers actually get enough iron, so this isn't insignificant.

Oh bloody hell, everything’s killing us, even a diluted glass of juice for breakfast. YOLO, who has time for this?

You can do everything right, exercise daily, and still get cancer at 45, it’s just silly to be so painstaking about everything

Juice isn’t actually nutritional at all. Stick with water and milk.

There are many kids with ND issues these days and getting on solids has been very difficult for many mothers and babies. And yes, milk and some sort of cereal or carb is the most preferred food of many kids with ND issues...it is a life saver. Thanks God I listened to absolutely no one and fed my child, so she not only grew well and reached all milestones but now , at the age of 12 is me height and the weight of a healthy young woman.

I actually checked the nutritional information in Rice Krispies (branded, other popped rice cereals available). The total sugars in an 30g portion with milk is about 9g, so it sounds like a lot - but 7g of that comes from the milk! And no one is suggesting that children drink less milk.

If you give a toddler half an adult portion, it's around 1.2g of sugar in the Rice Krispies themselves. Not all of this will be free sugar (some will be - there's sugar in the ingredients). The NHS gives guidelines of no more than 10g free sugar for a 1 year old per day. So having max 10% of that as breakfast cereal is fine.

I wasn't really addressing that menu, it was more in reply to those saying they have no time to cook in the mornings, and those worried that kids won't like eggs.

A couple of scrambled eggs in a bowl take less than a minute to cook in the microwave.

Juice is completely unnecessary - nothing good in it at all! The reason so many kids get rotten teeth. It’s better to have chocolate and drink water.

Rice crispies have very little nutritional value

They have more nutritional value than nothing. They’re relatively inexpensive, have added vitamins and calcium when milk is added. All of this is obvious. Not everyone can afford to feed ‘the best’.

Not at all, that is what I give my kids for breakfast. It's what most people I know feed their kids! I don't know anyone who would buy Coco Pops

I literally asked my dentist about juice with meals once a day and he said it was fine.

The problem is continuous access tofree sugars, like juice in bottles, sucking lollies, actual sweets.

Juice with breakfast and then waiting 20 mins before brushing will be fine. I've given DD juice that way since she was eating meals and she's 8 now, lovely healthy teeth. She's only lost 4 baby teeth but they're all perfect condition.

Juice in the morning is a great way to give a little energy boost, get one of the 5 a day and put calories and energy into children.

Apart from the fact that liver damage only happens from sugar in extreme cases, which this advice is not - it absolutely does matter when someone is quite literally posting false information about what the juice in question contains. It does not contain refined sugar.

Genuinely - what am I being oblivious to? I have three children including a baby and those are the breakfasts my kids eat. They have never had rice Krispies or anything like that. On birthdays/ Christmas/ meals out they might have juice (obviously not the one year old!) I don't understand what I'm apparently missing.

This has to be a spoof post, in the style of Man Who Has It All.

As long as you add toast or something. Carbohydrates are very important for children.

@NutmuncherThose people aren’t reading the guidelines anyway. The rest of us deserve better nutritional guidance.