To be shocked by this government dietary advice for babies and children?

I had the opposite when my son was in hospital. They told me as long as he had something, it didn't matter as long as he fancied it because it was better than him not eating.

Yes, privilege. But seeing as your post is filled with lazy stereotypes about vapes and fake nails, I won’t waste my time engaging with you about it.

Fair enough - hopefully now you can understand the reality for many people and realise how fortunate you and your family are to be able to afford and eat the things you do.

Privilege? Or just a reasonable sense of how to live a healthy life?

Nutritious food is not expensive. It's just that people in the UK are too lazy and ignorant to want it, buy it and make it. (And have a bizarre willingness to spend their meagre funds on vapes and alcohol and streaming and fillers and nails and you name it...)

Cornershop doesn't have healthy options? Get off the couch, switch off the tv and take a walk to a bigger supermarket. Plenty available there.

The fact is that obesity and other life style driven issues are off the charts in this country. The NHS pandering to people's feckless attitudes is a massive part of the problem.

Huh? My toddler often has fortified cereal for breakfast.

True, maybe it’s better to send them a TikTok instead

Quantity has a lot to do with it, but unlikely to be quantity of breakfast cereal as such. More likely a combination of what they have for main meals, plus between-meal snacks.

Childhood obesity was a lot more rare in the 1960s/70s etc. but if anything, sugary breakfast cereals were even more popular in those days.

I don't get the cost argument... surely juice costs more than tap water?

Good for you - you clearly deserve a medal for being so much better than everyone else 🙄

They’re not all like that though, are they? 🙄

But if you want to be educated - fine. There are children in this country who never see a dentist. There are children raised in families where dental hygiene is ignored. There are children who are raised on bottles of full fat Coke, bars of chocolate and beige oven food covered in ketchup and salt.

A bowl of low sugar, fortified cereal and a cup of diluted apple juice is not the reason there is an obesity crisis, and the fact that you think it is shows how bloody privileged you are.

True, I do have more time now. But I've only wfh for the last few years... before that I was office based 5 days a week and still didn't feed my kids cereal and juice.

A friend of mine is a dietician and when she moved house, I asked her if she was going to get a new job. She said in all conscience she couldn't work as a dietician anymore because she didn't agree with the advice she was handing out.

My DC was in hospital once and the boy in the next bed had had major surgery the previous day. When he woke up, he wasn't even 12 hours post op and his mum had brought him in a sausage roll, large mars bar and a bottle of iron bru. She was going on at him about eating and he kept saying he felt too sick to eat anything. She was shouting at him saying it was because the anaesthetic had curdled in his stomach and if he ate "a good breakfast" he'd feel better. The nurse had to intervene and say there was no need for him to eat anything as he was still on post op fluids, and that when he was feeling up to it toast would be much more appropriate.

Yes that's literally what I've just said I've realised

The satsuma and glass of water was in place of a glass of orange juice. Not to replace breakfast... in addition to.

Honesty, your posts reek of privilege. I know you’re probably only speaking from your own experience but many kids don’t even get breakfast before school, or they have something in the car or from the corner shop. A bowl of fortified cereal and a glass of diluted juice is way, way above the bare minimum for many families.

Educate me then!

Why is it that NI/UK kids are obese with mouths full of rotting teeth?

Because they would be drinking it during the day and it would be dreadful for their teeth?

Restrict children too much and watch what happens when they're teenagers!

Yes, but you still have more time available than those who have to leave at 7.30 to drop their kids at the childminder or breakfast club 🙄

Yes, I think you're probably right. Im finding it hard to believe that rice Krispies and orange juice aren't the bare minimum but yes, I can see if you're used to giving them a chocolate bar on the walk to school then that would be a huge improvement. Thanks for the thought challenge

No, people are just being realistic. And if you honestly think that the occasional bowl of rice crispies and a cup of watered down juice with breakfast is why some kids are obese, then you’re just showing how incredibly ignorant you are about how many people live on a daily basis.

my kids don't wfh... I still do the school run!

Again, if you think that sample menu is what people already give then you live in a very privileged bubble. Look at the whole thing (not just the breakfasts). It is fairly nutritionally balanced, almost all home cooked and based largely on whole food. That is aspirational for a lot of people. It isn't for you, and it isn't for me - but the guidance isn't aimed at us. This is very much aimed at improving at what people would give without guidance, they are already doing what you suggest, you just can't recognise it.

Now your talking, you can shove your chia seeds right where the sun doesn't shine.

you clearly didn't watch the video up thread and I will stick to the information supplied in the conference/lecture by the endocrinologist - not some random decided others are confused as it doesn't fit with their theory