To be frustrated that DD is struggling to find a job in her desired field while her friends on skilled worker visas aren’t

Did your daughter apply for many jobs in her field? Perhaps her friends did a better job of seeking these roles out and applying for them.

Have you considered that the other two might just be better candidates than your daughter? Or may have applied for more appropriate jobs? Or may have performed better at interview? There are a million reasons that they may have got a job before your daughter before you start thinking 'it's because they're foreign'.

I am delighted that the UK continues to attract the best from Europe despite how much the brexiteers and mad racists have tried to do destroy us.

Maybe they interview better than your daughter, maybe they’re more skilled or better qualified. You’re making a generalisation based on one person’s experience.

There's something about growing up in the kind of privilege where your parents think the sun shines out of you so brightly that someone of another nationality doing better in their career must be due to some institutional problem rather than then having a better skill set that leads me to believe your daughter is probably literally very privileged and pampered and may come across as such, even as a bit arrogant etc. I strongly suspect it's in how she interviews and comes across.

What was your DDs Masters dissertation? Did she publish it?

My DS has an Arts Degree + a very niche Masters. He is now getting job opportunities related to his dissertation as it is a useful learning and development theme at Undergrad level.

Thisnis the civil service framework for the role: https://ddat-capability-framework.service.gov.uk/role/data-ethicist

She'll need to learn how machine learning and AI work inside the box, but there are lots of short courses for that and for data ethics.

You are being not only unreasonable but also racist. You are stating you believe her friends should not have got their jobs because they are “foreign”.

Maybe your daughter just interviews badly?! Her job situation has nothing to do with the nationality of her friends.

Maybe they interviewed better than she did? It happens.

Maybe she's just.... Better at the job

Oh my gosh with that background get her into data ethics!!! It will be such an important and interesting career and she sounds perfect for it!

OP is right that the skilled worker visa only applies to certain jobs. The list is via this link: www.gov.uk/skilled-worker-visa/your-job

Is she absolutely sure they are on skilled worker visas? They are both European and if they began their studies before the relevant date may have pre-settled status or settled status by now, which would mean they have unrestricted access to the job market.

Maybe she’s not as strong as her friends academically (and the same grade doesn’t necessarily mean she is).
Maybe you being just a tiny bit racist.

Sorry OP. You are obviously a proud mum of a high achieving daughter. But she’s studied in a niche area, and I can’t imagine there are too many employment opportunities. Only a small number will find a relevant career, and only an even smaller number would find a job with a salary average-Mumsnet would find acceptable. If she went to a top London uni, she has lots of other options. Disclaimer: I know nothing about philosophy, but this applies to lots of these kind of degrees.

It does seem unfair @Andiessock

My dd has a 1st in Philosophy and Theology. She didn’t expect to get a job in the subject. Did your dd?

Hopefully she is more philosophical about it than her mother.

Maybe her other friend got a better grade on their BA and MA degree courses? Maybe their elective modules align more with the institute? Maybe she did a work placement or internship or did research that was in an area they are currently interested in?

Jobs are not handed out based on nationality and degree only. There are numerous factors that go into selecting an employee.

I do sympathise with your DD, but I agree with the pp, that to get a well paid job with progression in the field, it’s going to be academia which means a PhD. To go from MA to PhD, especially a funded PhD, lots of interim boxes need to be ticked.

The civil service isn’t a bad job, and they do have career brooding opportunities where you can seconded to other jobs or even sign up for cheap classes to then transfer to a different job. If she is unhappy with her current job, she could look into moving within the civil service.

It’s the role that’s designated as highly skilled, not the person doing it. Clearly the role qualified as ‘highly skilled’ and they were the best applicants.

Just seen your second response - im not sure what you are saying, being born British doesnt mean you will automatically know more about a British cultural institution than any non Brit?

she might be better off working for a British company promoting the culture and philosophy abroad. As that’s what the others are doing.

the jobs in the field she is looking for will be limited and I doubt the ones who do them leave very often because they’re so limited. Lost of graduate don’t get jobs in their field first off. Such is life.