To not want to go to USA?

The US is an amazing place. As long as you’ve got your passport, you’ll be fine. Don’t listen to everything you see on social media. For starters, states have a lot of autonomy. Any rules or regulations you face are more likely to be at the state than federal level. Waiting to travel just because you don’t like the president is giving into scaremongering.
I’ve got American family. Jobs are going up. Prices are going down. Cities are safer than they’ve ever been. Now is the time to go.

What do you think Mumsnet is?

We’re not on social media and DH and I have not shared our views with anyone apart from my anonymous post on this thread.

When those doing it reveal they are massive hypocrites at practically every turn. It’s just the latest bandwagon now the previous bandwagons are less glossy.

Good for her. And that relates to 99% of people how?

There is always something weird going on somewhere. That’s the bread and butter of the news. Presumably you don’t do anything ever because someone somewhere had something bad happen to them? Better be careful breathing!

You can decide not to give your tourist money to a country whose president you don’t like. That’s fine.

But I do not think you would be unsafe based on the events of yesterday. It seems as though you’d be more likely to be shot by a random shooter member of the public than by an ICE agent. Different states have different gun arrangements as well so it depends on where you’d be going.

And your DH doesn’t need to be disappointed if you can go on another fabulous holiday somewhere else, which presumably you can. Why don’t you go to Iceland?

So don't go. It's no biggie, the US people, government and President won't give two hoots either way.

My SIL was detained by US immigration years ago, over 30 years ago because I have been with DH for 30 years and it was prior to that. She also messed up her visa like that Welsh girl so it’s all on them.

Totally agree
Virtue signalling gibberish

We won’t go again until trump is gone.

I hate it when a country and its citizen are defined solely by its political leaders. Its such nonsense! Not 100% of Americans are partisans of the trump campaign. I believe if we take into consideration headcount, he wouldn't have been elected and that's not considering the percentage of non voters.

I have many American friends, some of them who have never been out of the country who hates trump with a passion. They still live, work, offer services to others. They are kind, considerate and welcoming. I've been to the States 4 times since Covid and I've been amazed how welcoming I've felt each time. Then again, this is MN !

It’s likely safe enough for most tourists, but I’m a US citizen living in UK with no plans to visit again, probably ever. There are so many other places to visit more deserving of your support. I feel desperately sorry for my few remaining sane friends and family who live there.

I am actively trying to minimise my consumption of stuff that would benefit the USA. This is a personal choice based on my values. I don’t like Trump or the nation which elected him twice.

What has it come to when speaking up about values and decisions is now labled as “performative”?

No thanks, I don't want to be shot by some lunatic while shopping at the mall.

These additional ESTA requirements are being proposed:

https://www.visaverge.com/news/us-expands-esta-checks-to-include-five-years-of-social-media/

Questions about your past and present social media history, email addresses, and details of your family members.

I went over Xmas, expected more time at immigration as was on a new esta, but 2 questions and waved through no hassle.
But I am white and middle aged. And it was Las Vegas and tourist numbers are down.

This is scare moungering rubbish. The canadians had issue with her which is why the USA also did and tbf it was her own stupid fault.

I'm not given them any ounce of support or tourist revenue until they do something about their president.

I’ve just read that article and it says that Canada wouldn’t let her in with her tourist visa because they thought she had been working in the US.

Well yes, anyone breaching a visa should be detained. She might have claimed she wasn’t working, but she arranged her trip through “workaway” and the name gives a clue that working might be involved.

I'm sure you'll be safe. But saying that, I wouldn't go out of principle.

Canada is a good alternative.

We goto the USA a fait bit and i dont buy into alot of the nonsense alot here do about the USA. But even i'm a little unsure after yesterday.

Maybe suggest a canada road trip. Loads to see and a similarish vibe to the USA.

This girl from Wales was detained for 10 days in a prison! I wouldn't go near the US right now... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80y3yx1jdyo

You can find plenty of other stories like this out there.

YANBU. The USA will still be there to visit when Trump’s gone. Lots of other fantastic places worldwide to visit in the meantime. How about Canada instead if he wants to head in that general direction?

We went to Texas last year (but we are white and I’m not sure if think the same if I wasn’t) and everyone was very welcoming to us as foreigners. I think because it’s not a typical place for foreign tourists (although we visited all the big cities), it was novel to them. All of the police, government, healthcare and hospitality workers that we interacted with were great and welcoming.

We’re going back to Chicago this year.

But I think it’s understandable why you’re reticent.