If you are on weight loss injections, what do you make of this article?

Don't they reduce the quantity you able to eat in any one meal? That's quite similar to getting your stomach stapled and suggesting it's just diet and exercise.

I suspect that if you are not on jabs and lose the weight with food noise, which is much much harder, so you’re much more careful not to throw it all away as you move to maintenance. If you lose weight in an easier way with the jabs perhaps you’re not as careful at the end.

At least the jabs give the chance to change lifestyle, get mobile, and enjoy being slim though - all worth holding on to.

I think the difference is that with a traditional diet you have to learn to resist the food cravings in the first place so more chances of being able to continue resisting.
Also telling yourself « I worked so hard do lose the weight » when tempted to go back to bad habits.

BMI 27 is great. I think as long as you’re in the overweight rather than Obese category you will be ok x

Exactly this.

Too many folks frightened at the clear undeniable success WLI have had as a means to conquering the challenge that is obesity.

Just seen a report on the beeb. Obviously more research needed but it is being postulated that because taking WLI's artificially increases GLP-1 this may end up causing your own GLP-1 production to be suppressed thus causing increases in hunger etc upon stopping the jabs. This may go some way to explain why weight regain is often rapid when WLI's are stopped.

You really MUST use them in tandem with better choices and creating healthy habits. The concept of regaining all the weight within two years would mean you’re not keeping check of yourself, any sudden change and surely you’d just go back on them? Anyone regaining 3,4,5,6,7 stone must surely be suffering from some sort of WLI amnesia… you’d start using them again.

I am on MJ since 5 months now and totally overhauled my diet. My reason for the weight gain are 100% mental, I am a stress eater and the last 8 years were brutal, especially the last 4.

So I know what I need to do, I am in a better position mentally already with one stress factor reduced. While I am sure I will be on MJ for quite a long time, I think a maintaining dose will hopefully sort me out when I reach the goal.

You need to sort out your life and diet when on the drugs or you will regain but that is the same for all weight loss programms. I was on WeightWatchers 20 years ago, lost over 20kg because I realised what was wrong with my diet.
I regained because of new factors.

The drugs give me now the mental capacity to be able to analyse my problems and triggers. With normal diet programms you are still constantly preoccupied with calorie counting, you are hungry and envious of the food available all around you. With MJ I can't be bothered to eat chocolate, I don't crave it so my thoughts are better used to sort out my life.

See that’s why I’ve not tried them. I rarely feel hungry anyway, so I’m thinking it won’t make a difference to me.

People should view these injections as no more than brushing teeth. Stop brushing and you’ll get cavities, stop injecting and you’ll gain weight.

Just another maintenance tool

I think it's naïve thinking to assume the cost will come down significantly when the patents expire and tablets come on the market. It's very clear that WLI are nothing short of miraculous in having such a positive impact on other medical conditions besides obesity – lots of people talk about coming of blood pressure meds etc. The more people need less meds in general, the more that's going to hit Big Pharma's profit margins. So keeping the price inflated of the one drug responsible for that, so not everyone can access it and make themselves well, seems far more likely.

I hope not, obviously, but Big Pharma is all about $$$$$.

I don’t think it’s about changing life habits - yes you need to do that but as a lifetime dieter I think it’s purely about food noise - when yoive been dieting a lot the food noise is off the scale. I’ve been either putting on weight or dieting for 30+ years- there’s no happy medium. I don’t not put weight on without huge food noise. I’d love to take the jabs to stop the food noise but I’m not eligible. Low carb doesn’t help me - I still have food noise. So I can entirely understand that people put back on after finishing the jabs.

Maybe it does need to be a lifetime thing (which I’d like to take to at BMI 25) and will be better when it can be made cheaper. Must be huge profits being made out of the ridiculous prices

Yes I am a bit worried. Hopefully things will settle down as I've just gone up to 1mg. I still don't think cooking will be something I enjoyed as much as before though!

Its an easy calculation eat too many calories and dont burn enough off equals weight gain, injections dont change this basic equation just interupts it.

People on WLIs are still losing weight though diet and exercise!
There is nothing else that will make you drop lbs.
The jabs just stop you being starving the whole time. That’s all.

Yes there is a maximum dose, I suppose the body gets 'used to' the dose but that doesn't mean it stops working. Of course there could be long term effects of taking it whether the dose is high or low, most people who maintain are trying to move to the lowest effective dose to do that.

'Wegovy' tablets are the same price per day as the injection currently, but they are the only tablet licensed so they can name their price, once there are other oral versions on the market and competition, prices will come down.

There is an oral version of wegovy already licensed for diabetes and an oral version of mounjaro in the pipeline. So I'm pretty sure non of us will be "jabbing in our 80s".

Personally i quite like the logistical ease of having one evening a week over taking meds every day, injections don't fill me with any kind of horror or distress.

The drug costs pence to manufacture. Swapping to pill form will not significantly reduce the price. When it comes out of its exclusive period and eliilley dont have the monopoly, that's when we will see a price drop

It's always been a good idea to lose weight through diet and exercise - in an ideal world, but many people couldn't do that for one reason or another - that hasn't changed.

Exactly this sadly.
There is much profit in selling junk and jabs. They are making a killing (literally)
People have to take matters into their own hands, it is extremely hard when we are literally surrounded with junk food everywhere we turn and it does come down to discipline but if you can stick to the 80/20 rule, this is what we do with the kids, have a treat on weekends, it's a good place to start.

I'm not sure there's been sufficient time for that statement to be truly tested has it? All I know is, on the support threads on here, all anyone is talking about is the changes they are making and sustaining. No-one is posting about eating tiny tiny amounts of calories or saying they're lazing about and have no.intentions to do otherwise. I think the cost of the jabs is certainly a motivating factor to work with them to see losses, not necessarily fast, and sustain it. It certainly is for me.

Should add that research evidence tends to be more optimistic about a medication than real world data, so would not expect the situation to look better taking real world long term data into account .

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Hi I have a question about the injections. It seems like most people gradually increase their dose during the process. Is there a maximum dose that people can access, and can your body just get used to it. Would this happen to those on it for life? I understand that people may need it for maintenance but could there be long term effects of high doses

Isn’t this the case with ANY weight loss method? Surely if you don’t change your lifestyle it’s obvious things will return to how they were. It’s not exactly rocket science.